Very disappointing despite the lead. I'd go ballistic if Lampard comes on. I think Bentley needs his game-time. Stop f***ing around, McClaren. Lescott was a good move but you only put him on because of an injury. Same way Richards got exposed. Can't you DO one on your own and not let injury force your hand. I demand Bentley!!!!!

Whole match was shit. Luck's on our side though.

Just hope we get a win against Russia and McClaren has some sort of sickness that causes him to rest till September 2008 and Mourinho gets the England job and sticks one up Robinson's hairy arse

Anyone waiting for the Romania game? I'm hoping for Romania to do one over the Dutch. Scotland won, right? So happy for Fletcher (though not playing).

I could understand not wanting to PUSH harder and risk anything (especially to the yellow cards and Owen) but the changes made were pathetic. Why the f*** not someone who hasn't played internationally? What would Lampard do? Gain a cap and that's it? Give it to someone who has something to prove.

Striker Fernando Torres will miss Spain's Euro 2008 qualifiers after suffering a small muscle tear in his right leg in training. And he is now a major doubt for next Saturday's Merseyside derby.

Hope he doesn't play, for his health sake

Knew that long ago.

YOU actually think that Macca has the balls to drop a star player in Rooney?

First of all, I still think we can play 4-4-2 against Russia. We blitz them in Wembley and we have enough quality to do it again in their home artificial turf. Secondly, I doubt Macca can play any other way apart from a boring conventional 4-4-2. Thirdly, we can go on and on on how well Lamps has done for Chelsea but fact is Barry has came in and since he and Gerrard has teamed up, we have scored 10 goals in three matches with three clean sheets? Fourthly, I'd go to say that Lampard isn't good enough to play on his own. His career only got going when he had Makalele and Essien to start cleaning his shit so he could bomb forward and Gerrard ain't going to do that.

For me, 4-4-2 with Lampard on the bench. No other way and I think Owen was placed in cotton to protect him from injuries and to protect himself from Sam

Latest news says that

Robinson
LB - Shorey or Neville
CB - Ferdinand - Terry (or Richards if Terry's unfit)
RB - Young (if Richards' CB)

Midfield 3 - Gerrard-Barry-Lampard
Front 3-Cole-Owen-Rooney

I think the defence's bollocks. I'd go with

Shorey-Ferdinand-Campbell-Richards (if Terry isn't fit)

Is it 11 AM or PM? I think it's PM

Result aside, it was a torrid game to watch.

Thank God he had man-tits to cushion the ball on his chest.

Bloody ref. Damn him. The player was diving into the box Rooney's dive didn't help : / He was diving as if he was fouled as well

As it stands, we are out regardless?

Man Utd players and conceding penalties. Always been jinxed.

so our fate is in their hands? Let's face it. We won't win Euro 2008. I am indifferent as long as Mourinho or something could take over. It has been long since we have had a decent manager in place.

Hoho. Imagine if England were to go out. We may have to tour Asia to compensate for the financial loss of not qualifying for Euro 2008. And imagine tomorrow's newspapers.

I just hope Rooney and Gerrard aren't made scapegoats. McClaren should take full responsibility.

Yeah. Even if we did qualify, we would continue our rivalry by late June anyway. Doubt we'll go far. Well, can Mourinho coach England? 9 years supporting England, more lows than highs. Heck two highs I remember were under Sven: away England win against Germany and Beckham's last minute free kick against Greece.

Lows? Lost against France and Portugal and now this.

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Added on October 18, 2007, 12:51 amRef should be shot. McClaren should be shot. End of story.

This post has been edited by kobe8byrant: Oct 18 2007, 12:51 AM

Nah, end our misery.

If Israel lose, at least have Jose get a first match to kickstart the Mourinholution or something.