The old testament is more just the LAW.
This guy is fixated on the Law as being the OT. It is not.

Of course, it's more than the Law, I'm also aware of the name of Christ being hidden in OT but if anyone understands Hebrew language that person can see Yeshua signature via Hebrew letters.

You guys don't realize both of your end goals are the same eventually.

Just that his only contention is that the Law can't save anyone. You got triggered thinking He is just a NT believer.

Just give him time to learn lah.

God will show him as well.

I am triggered when anyone who thinks himself a believers calls the Old Testament USELESS.
And if you aren't triggered by this, you have no love for God's word.

And he will learn if he knows his mistake.

Im turning over a new leaf.

We are called to live in peace with one another. That is the primary concern i believe God wants for his people.

If i have to get triggered over things ppl say there will be no end to what can affect your emotional well being. Doesnt have to be things ppl say in this thread, what about atheists barraging the God you and i serve?
Why dont you get triggered on that????


As you aged, you will agree time is just too valueble.

Maybe you have more time to spare on ur side.

If you read my post and comprehend correctly,



if he wishes to learn, let him learn by discussions. Triggered or not.
If you going to be peaceable and allow him to go in his erroneous thoughts in your peaceful silence, how will he learn?

This post has been edited by prophetjul: Jul 26 2023, 11:53 AM

Quite sure, you and I are not the only people God can use and this is not the only avenue Gaunter learn from. But it will be from people he is open to hear from.

Ive learn everyone is built different, not all exhibit similiar character like you or me.

What I do know is, if one is offended, no matter what you say, he/she is not going to be open to listen.

That is why building repo with the person helps instead of getting all riled up.

Didnt Jesus speak somewhere in the Bible

"I have not come to bring peace but sword"

and then

"Those who live by the sword will die by the sword"

What does He mean by that, anyone can explainn??

Maybe it was never their intentions to listen in the first place. It is like testing the spirit because we truly don't know who is it exactly that is behind the other end. But by their words, we will know who there are, these pantang dicabar types.

When we were young in our faith, were we not disciplined by our elders too or by God Himself ?

What I do know is don't give pearls to swines.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 26 2023, 02:05 PM

aha bingo

well at least i found one mature christian here.

the rest are still very much immature or like little childs who get triggered easily

the first verse speaks about Jesus second coming. the anihilation of humankind in the hand of Jesus but those who believe in Him will be spared the sufferings.

the second verse is Jesus law for human. those who live violent lives will also suffer violently.

This can happen between family members where one is a believer and others are not.

The conflict is usually between the ancestral religion of the family and Christianity.

This is expected because of rulers in the spirit realm behind differing religions.

This verse can also apply to the tribulation period, where all Christians have been raptured up and the people left behind on earth who converted to become Christians will have to contend against people who follow the Anti-Christ.

IMO, these 2 scenarios fit the verse above.


As for the last question, this is why Christ requires that we live in peace not in violence. Those who do so will reap violence into their own life.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 26 2023, 03:28 PM

Like I said, I prefer to turn over a new leaf.


1 Peter 3:15 (NIV) - But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,


Highlight in bold is something God commands of us.

Agree. That is why you are kindhearted and I am very strict.

I do the same with all my clients, only those who listens and obeys will not have problems with their modern vehicles. I only have problems with the smart ones only who thinks they know better. Hey but that is not my problem when they have electrical issues. So I only focuses on those who listens.

I have no second thoughts putting anyone in the Ignore List either, whether it's on Lowyat or my clients.

Evangelism 101, Why you shouldn't waste time arguing

2 Corinthians 4:4 (NIV) - The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Good day everyone.

Did you know the one who saves a person into Salvation is not you and I?

You and I are messengers on God's behalf, but do note we are messengers, not the one who has the power to open a person's heart.

The one who saves a person is The Holy Spirit.

By default unbelievers are blinded from seeing the light of the gospel message. What this means is that you can say all you want, argue all the argument you want, as long as the person remains under the blindness of the evil one, the person will be not be able to accept the gospel message or God's word.

Why?

Because without the Holy Spirit opening the heart of the unbeliever, he/she will remain spiritually blind.

1 Corinthians 2:14 (NIV) - The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.

Not only that but the message do not make sense to them.

1 Corinthians 1:18 (NIV) - For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing,....

Hence to keep on arguing to no end, thinking you know something while the unbeliever don't, is foolishness. What is worse IF you offend the person because of big conflicting arguing or whatever reasons it may be then you not only wasted your effort but you make yourself a bad testimony for the unbeliever, causing further blockage.

After you have shared whatever messages God puts in your heart and if the person do not want to accept, the right thing to do; is to thank the person for his time and move on but show some care.

To keep on arguing will cause you to be a bad testimony and things like this turns people off. To the extend if we start insulting others because the unbeliever refuse to see your point, things like this gives Christians and Christianity a bad name.

Pray to God to open the unbeliever's heart and to give the person understanding to the gospel message or whatever message you wanted to share.

God bless.

Quick short devotion.

What are the signs, How do you know that you are saved?

My answer;

1. You don't feel at ease or at home when you sin. You just feel convicted it's not right. That is one sign

2. When you have spiritual attacks from the devil. That is a sure sign, confirm you are saved. So take heart. The enemy reserve their strongest attacks on born again believers. Trust me. People who are already spiritually dead, the devil has nothing to be bothered with, why, cause the person is already under the enemy dominion.

3. When you make a conscious decision to walk in love even if you don't feel like it or even after a bad argument where you decided to still love that person, that is one sure sign.

4. The strongest sign for confirmation that you are saved is that no matter what you walk in love. The bible chided us...If we hate each other or any brethren, we are a liar and do not love God. You need to heed this warning. If you walk in hatred, always arguing, always exhibiting bitterness, always insulting others, always condemning, you are in danger and need a lot of reflection where you've gone wrong. This is a sign you're not walking or following Christ.

That is all fine and nice about being saved. Although being born again, I wouldn't count my ass as being saved just yet until I am able to check-in into the Kingdom of Heaven and meet again those whom have guided me in my faith. All the miracles done in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ means nothing, if at the end of the day I am told to get lost and that He does not know me.

Make no mistake, only those who does the will of God, will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 27 2023, 11:25 AM

Being born again = Saved

And what is the will of God in this case?

Bro., that you would have to ask God.

What I do know is when being born again, one will be lead by the Holy Spirit and the person who is born again will do things that is beyond logic and things will just happen like it is normal thing to do. The person has no control of the situation any longer for the Holy Spirit takes over completely. It's unbelievable.

Yet I can lose all that if I turn towards darkness and sin because my time is not up yet. Because I have tasted the Lord and He is good really good, would I allow temptations to bring me down ? That's the reality of things.

The question is how to live while remaining in Him and Him in us, while we are still in this world. For the unmarried clergy it's simple but for the married, it's not the same.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 27 2023, 12:10 PM

John 6:40 (NIV) - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.


The very first will of God is that you get connected to God by your faith (believes in him) and just by that you are granted Eternal Life.

The believe has to do with believing:

1. Christ died for your sins
2. Christ is your substitution, representing you before God the Father
3. Christ is the one who save you.

All these has to be the first and primary criteria before repentance can even come in.


Repentance = Work of the Holy Spirit which you trust God to do the work in you. And you rest in that trusting God.

It's not you sweating, gritting your teeth trying to obey God. <----Most ppl got it wrong here.

I think you may want to consider all that is said above.