We have various denominations in here.

Some believe that works are results of working faith.

Me personally I believe Salvation is given by grace not of any works. As long faith remain intact, works will come in later naturally.

While I can agree works are result of fruits but in of itself it should not be use a criteria for Salvation because God is the one who works in the person's life.

and given that different people are at different stages with God, we should never judge who is saved or not.

We won't argue who is right or wrong, just go by the Bible.

I mean let the Bible speak.

That is best.

Born again is salvation.

u sound angry

why are u angry? why u happy when u win argument but get angry when cannot answer?

then i am not a christian to u if that makes u happy. i am just a person who believes in Jesus

I angry ? Haha

I don't understand why you want to believe in our Lord Jesus Christ when you don't even understand His teachings. What is it that you want ?

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 25 2023, 03:15 PM

Roman Catholic


chill bro....

I think you can trust me to sense who is who in this thread.

I think so far everyone in here is ok.

no need get upset.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 25 2023, 03:20 PM

What a sound reply. Thank you..but..

If Jesus is the only way to the Father, why is there more than one denomination?

If Jesus loves them all, then why different teachings that have been causing disunity?

I am chill.

Just that others likes to beat around the bush, trying to make themselves look smart but gosh. Don't tell me that is intelligence ?

Sorry I memang straight to the point type of guy. No nonsense beating around the bush etc.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 25 2023, 03:22 PM

imagine u stumbled upon an uneducated poor beggar and u say the same word to him. say he is too stupid to become a christian. that is cruel isn't it?

no even stupid retarded people have the same right to come to Jesus as people who are as intelligent as u

I doubt the uneducated poor beggar would talk reply in such a manner.

I don't think you will ever catch my drift. Sorry.

Please I myself am not intelligent. If anyone is intelligent it is God Himself.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 25 2023, 03:24 PM

accepted

but i don't want to impress people with lofty talk

i don't seek honor

i never said whatever i put forth as my argument here is correct i can always make mistakes so no bigi deal

And regardless of how many denominations there are, Jesus still remains the only way to God the Father.

This is what all Christians should hold on to that unite in faith.

It's what Christ wanted anyway. (John 17:21)

IMO, Denominations happened not because of God but because of us as flawed human beings.

You can trace back in church history the first denomination happened because of Martin Luther who argued Salvation is by grace against what Roman Catholic had err in making Salvation by indulgence (corrupted to paying money even).

Then from there, it branched out to Lutheran, Reformed, Anabaptist, and Anglican. From here it grew to even more denominations.

IE, Lutheran from Martin Luther and was based on his teachings, likewise Methodist from John Wesley, and so forth you have Baptist, etc.

The point of these divisions is never Christ as Lord and Savior, but rather honest differences of opinion by godly (albeit flawed), people on secondary doctrine like Baptism, etc.

For me personally I'm not too bothered by such division.

What is important is to have an active relationship with God, read the Bible and learn to grow with the Holy Spirit.

This post has been edited by unknown warrior: Jul 25 2023, 04:17 PM

Surely later will say leave out the Holy Spirit, the Holy Bible and God, but lets focus on the divisions instead. Yup you know what is next.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 25 2023, 04:17 PM

How would you have faith and active relationship with someone who's not visually visible to you?

How do you know that you are in a saving relationship with Christ through the Holy Spirit when the Bible says "do not believe in hearts"?

STILL you on only about THE LAW.
Are you not able to see God's grace abounding in HIS STORY FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION?

What to do, got eyes but cannot see, got ears but cannot hear, so that scriptures are still being fulfilled until this day.

This post has been edited by Roman Catholic: Jul 25 2023, 04:58 PM

I think it's important to establish the foundational basics, for example why we cannot see God visibly or hear him audibly.

Main reason is because God is in spirit form. In our natural body we cannot see spirit. Not unless our spirit leaves our natural body then we will immediately see into spirit world.

That is 1. Understanding that helps me to know just because I can't see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist.

Next How do I have faith or relationship in that sense?

Instead of the usual of trying to force myself to conjure up faith, I go by the Bible method.

It teached me that Faith comes from hearing the word of Christ.

Romans 10:17 (NIV) - Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

What this means is that devour all you can in reading about Jesus Christ in the 4 synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John).

Don't worry how faith will come...spend time reading about Christ. See His goodness, his grace. Most importantly see his heart. See his divine work. If you can began to see that Christ is a respecter of no one. What he did for those people, He can do for you too, Faith will come naturally.

Relationship takes some effort on the other hand, it just mean you invest your time with God. Make time for reading bible, make time in prayer. There is no way other than this. It will take your time.

But it's worth it, IMO. Once you began to experience divine presence of God, I can promise you, there is no turning back.

How do I know I'm in saving relationship with God?

Love is the answer.

In the natural we are self defensive and hostile towards the world as we don't know who is who.

But I reminded myself at times, why do I need to live like this? ON my own I don't even want to bother in loving others but the nature of God is love. When we live in Love, that is how we know we are in saving relationship with God.

And it's hard for some of us to love others until we allow God to change us and love us and allow his love to pour out from us to others.

John 13:34 - 36 (NIV) - A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.


Hence the tagline for this Christian fellowship thread, Love is the greatest.

I liked your answer, it somehow reconvinced me that the world of faith and magic can still happen again. I'd need to read them again, but for now, here's another question.

According to the Bible, and Christianity theology at large, there's only one God.

Is the Father God? Yes

Is the Son God? Yes

Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes

But the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father,..because if it were so, then The Father wouldn't have spoken from the clouds while Jesus was being baptised, saying "This is My Beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased". So that nailed it, the Father is not the Son.

But if all three of them aren't the same entity, then shouldn't there be three, instead of one, God?

What am I missing here

You're missing nothing at all.

Like all of us, this is beyond our comprehension.

We just accept it as it is.

Trying to decipher this will only burst our mind.

I can only take consolation this is what make God = God.

Only He can do this. An oxymoron which nobody can.

But yes you are right they are three separate persons yet one God.

Three different distinct and varying roles but all share same power, authority and three communes with each other.

Boggles the mind. Perhaps we will be given understanding on this when we enter Heaven.

That's the problem when believers have only New Testament books as their scriptures.
There is no foundation for the New Covenant without the Old testament scriptures.

...
.....you never know when your answer can actually lightens up interest.

There is one song, and there's composer, lyricist, singer, instrumentist and producer for that one song.

I think, I think that's the farthest analogy I could ever come up, thanks to your suggestion which reminds me of my notes on theology much before, in regards with facing the mystery of God.

But, but, still, I wanna know why God blame the whole human race when it's only because of the two ancestors. He could've right away saved them both but why must He wait for so long and yet still haven't come. Wouldn't He only be increasing the casualties?

Branching from the question above, will everyone finally goes to Heaven, or will there be ever separate Heaven and He'll, and New Earth?