LYN Christian Fellowship Thread Ver 16, Welcome Christians, Love is the greatest
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 Jul 25 2023, 02:21 PM
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Hi, just quick questions, pls answer right on spot without posting links.
Why must I be taken account of for something I never committed? Why must I be blamed, when it wasn't I who ate the forbidden fruit? |
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Jul 25 2023, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 25 2023, 03:25 PM) So you are sinless ? I wont say I'm perfect in everyday's dealings. But I want answer to my question...why must the whole race suffers for one sin commited by only the two persons. Dont run and beat around the bush, please answer |
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Jul 25 2023, 02:31 PM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 25 2023, 03:25 PM) So you are sinless ? Isnt it a Christianity theology that God judges the world? Isn't it, especially the RC Church, theology that teaches all mankind is at fault?Who is judging you, for something you had never committed ? Is someone blaming you for not eating the delicious forbidden fruit ? instead of being hostile, you should inspire, not letting runaway transpires |
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Jul 25 2023, 02:32 PM
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Isnt is a task of Christian to win soul for Christ, and not turning them away?
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Jul 25 2023, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jul 25 2023, 03:34 PM) Nope that is not my task. It is each person's responsibility to be born again. Stop beating around the bush, trying to blame others. You just ruined a whole foundation of Christianity in three sentences. Iirc, Jesus told His disciples "Go and make disciples of the world, baptising them in the names of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit", congrats, now your true colour as "Christian" has been revealed |
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Jul 25 2023, 03:01 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Nov 25 2022, 09:17 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « Second, here comes my first question to you on this thread "Is salvation by faith or by works?" Im sorry, I couldnt find time to skim through your messages here to find your stance on this matter, so pls reply ya |
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Jul 25 2023, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 25 2023, 03:59 PM) Most of time we tend to think of big sins that we have not committed like killing or robbing, what about the things we may not be aware of? lets leave that out for now ya , i wanna know whats Christianity at large current theology and stancesLike being jealous of someone or harboring hate against a particular person? |
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Jul 25 2023, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 25 2023, 04:10 PM) We have various denominations in here. What a sound reply. Thank you..but..Some believe that works are results of working faith. Me personally I believe Salvation is given by grace not of any works. As long faith remain intact, works will come in later naturally. While I can agree works are result of fruits but in of itself it should not be use a criteria for Salvation because God is the one who works in the person's life. and given that different people are at different stages with God, we should never judge who is saved or not. We won't argue who is right or wrong, just go by the Bible. I mean let the Bible speak. That is best. If Jesus is the only way to the Father, why is there more than one denomination? If Jesus loves them all, then why different teachings that have been causing disunity? unknown warrior liked this post
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Jul 25 2023, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 25 2023, 04:45 PM) And regardless of how many denominations there are, Jesus still remains the only way to God the Father. How would you have faith and active relationship with someone who's not visually visible to you?This is what all Christians should hold on to that unite in faith. It's what Christ wanted anyway. (John 17:21) IMO, Denominations happened not because of God but because of us as flawed human beings. You can trace back in church history the first denomination happened because of Martin Luther who argued Salvation is by grace against what Roman Catholic had err in making Salvation by indulgence (corrupted to paying money even). Then from there, it branched out to Lutheran, Reformed, Anabaptist, and Anglican. From here it grew to even more denominations. IE, Lutheran from Martin Luther and was based on his teachings, likewise Methodist from John Wesley, and so forth you have Baptist, etc. The point of these divisions is never Christ as Lord and Savior, but rather honest differences of opinion by godly (albeit flawed), people on secondary doctrine like Baptism, etc. For me personally I'm not too bothered by such division. What is important is to have an active relationship with God, read the Bible and learn to grow with the Holy Spirit. How do you know that you are in a saving relationship with Christ through the Holy Spirit when the Bible says "do not believe in hearts"? |
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Jul 25 2023, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 25 2023, 06:40 PM) I think it's important to establish the foundational basics, for example why we cannot see God visibly or hear him audibly. I liked your answer, it somehow reconvinced me that the world of faith and magic can still happen again. I'd need to read them again, but for now, here's another question.Main reason is because God is in spirit form. In our natural body we cannot see spirit. Not unless our spirit leaves our natural body then we will immediately see into spirit world. That is 1. Understanding that helps me to know just because I can't see God doesn't mean He doesn't exist. Next How do I have faith or relationship in that sense? Instead of the usual of trying to force myself to conjure up faith, I go by the Bible method. It teached me that Faith comes from hearing the word of Christ. Romans 10:17 (NIV) - Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. What this means is that devour all you can in reading about Jesus Christ in the 4 synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John). Don't worry how faith will come...spend time reading about Christ. See His goodness, his grace. Most importantly see his heart. See his divine work. If you can began to see that Christ is a respecter of no one. What he did for those people, He can do for you too, Faith will come naturally. Relationship takes some effort on the other hand, it just mean you invest your time with God. Make time for reading bible, make time in prayer. There is no way other than this. It will take your time. But it's worth it, IMO. Once you began to experience divine presence of God, I can promise you, there is no turning back. How do I know I'm in saving relationship with God? Love is the answer. In the natural we are self defensive and hostile towards the world as we don't know who is who. But I reminded myself at times, why do I need to live like this? ON my own I don't even want to bother in loving others but the nature of God is love. When we live in Love, that is how we know we are in saving relationship with God. And it's hard for some of us to love others until we allow God to change us and love us and allow his love to pour out from us to others. John 13:34 - 36 (NIV) - A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another. Hence the tagline for this Christian fellowship thread, Love is the greatest. According to the Bible, and Christianity theology at large, there's only one God. Is the Father God? Yes Is the Son God? Yes Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes But the Father is not the Son, the Son is not the Spirit, the Spirit is not the Father,..because if it were so, then The Father wouldn't have spoken from the clouds while Jesus was being baptised, saying "This is My Beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased". So that nailed it, the Father is not the Son. But if all three of them aren't the same entity, then shouldn't there be three, instead of one, God? What am I missing here |
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Jul 25 2023, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 25 2023, 08:06 PM) Three different distinct and varying roles but all share same power, authority and three communes with each other. ........you never know when your answer can actually lightens up interest. There is one song, and there's composer, lyricist, singer, instrumentist and producer for that one song. I think, I think that's the farthest analogy I could ever come up, thanks to your suggestion which reminds me of my notes on theology much before, in regards with facing the mystery of God. But, but, still, I wanna know why God blame the whole human race when it's only because of the two ancestors. He could've right away saved them both but why must He wait for so long and yet still haven't come. Wouldn't He only be increasing the casualties? Branching from the question above, will everyone finally goes to Heaven, or will there be ever separate Heaven and He'll, and New Earth? |
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Jul 25 2023, 07:32 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 25 2023, 08:30 PM) That's the problem when believers have only New Testament books as their scriptures. How so .pls provide explanationThere is no foundation for the New Covenant without the Old testament scriptures. |
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Jul 26 2023, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 25 2023, 10:55 PM) Interesting analogy. Thank you for your answer,..I ahh, I have better clarity now.I dont have all the answers, the 1st question you can ask God when you meet Him one day. What I do know is that, though sin & death came through one man Adam, God likewise provided Salvation through one Man Jesus Christ. I think that is rather fair. What i mean is this; we couldnt do anything to stop inheriting sin from Adam, may feel its unfair. But likewise we don't need to climb the highest mountain or self inflict harshest punishment to gain entry to Heaven. Jesus Christ did everything for you so that your spirit can go there. All God is asking is that you repent towards Him, believe in his son Jesus Christ (He died, punished on your behalf to absolve your sins so that you dont need to die second death.) That you agree sin is wrong. Acknowledge that you wont be able to overcome sin on your own, need God's grace & strength to overcome it. Thats it. For last question, not everyone will finally go to Heaven, only those who accept Christ as their God and Savior. Yes there will be seperate Heaven, Hell and new earth. The Bible says "Death passed on through all mankind" Paul, iirc, says "Who will deliver me from this body of death?" I think, it's the sinful nature and corrupted biology that's been passed on to our bodies. deswai we fall sick, deswai we mistreat one another.. I agree. Life isn't fair. But God is good. I also wanna ask. Is God, matter of fact, while we're at it, is God of Christianity, God of love? Yes, God is God of love, becus if He doesn't have someone to love and beloved even before creation, The Father, the Son and the Spirit, then he wouldn't be God of love. One question though. If God is love, why would God put and punish sinners in Hell "forever" for sins of one brief lifetime, compared to eternity ("forever")? |
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Jul 26 2023, 09:15 AM
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QUOTE(GaunterO'Dimm @ Jul 26 2023, 09:52 AM) the old testament is good for reasons to know about God and His nature. But though, didn't Jesus Himself said "Think not that I've come to destroy the Law and the Prophets, I've not come to destroy but to fulfill"?.... and this is the reason why i said the old testament is useless Srry I forgot the verse numbers, I only recall at the top of my head... |
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Jul 26 2023, 01:04 PM
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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 26 2023, 12:48 PM) Im turning over a new leaf. We are called to live in peace with one another. That is the primary concern i believe God wants for his people. If i have to get triggered over things ppl say there will be no end to what can affect your emotional well being. Doesnt have to be things ppl say in this thread, what about atheists barraging the God you and i serve? Why dont you get triggered on that???? As you aged, you will agree time is just too valueble. Maybe you have more time to spare on ur side. QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 26 2023, 01:05 PM) Quite sure, you and I are not the only people God can use and this is not the only avenue Gaunter learn from. But it will be from people he is open to hear from. Ive learn everyone is built different, not all exhibit similiar character like you or me. What I do know is, if one is offended, no matter what you say, he/she is not going to be open to listen. That is why building repo with the person helps instead of getting all riled up. QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 26 2023, 12:52 PM) If you read my post and comprehend correctly, Didnt Jesus speak somewhere in the Bibleif he wishes to learn, let him learn by discussions. Triggered or not. If you going to be peaceable and allow him to go in his erroneous thoughts in your peaceful silence, how will he learn? "I have not come to bring peace but sword" and then "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword" |
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Jul 26 2023, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(ProSuperSchool @ Jul 26 2023, 02:04 PM) Didnt Jesus speak somewhere in the Bible What does He mean by that, anyone can explainn??"I have not come to bring peace but sword" and then "Those who live by the sword will die by the sword" |
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Jul 29 2023, 12:25 AM
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The demons believe, and tremble. Faith without work is dead. |
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Jul 30 2023, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 29 2023, 09:36 AM)  Action is the culmination of true and living faith. Also, lemme put this here to(I forgot the verses), since it is heftily discussed here "To the Law and to the Testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there's no light in them" All these bickering and discussion, it kinda makes me feel and look back at my thoughts narratives while I was a Christian.. |
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