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prophetjul
post Jul 8 2023, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Jul 8 2023, 02:05 PM)
If the TANAKH predates the Bible then why modern day Christian denominations doesn't preach from it? Why does the Jews only keep it for themselves? They still got hidden things that cannot be revealed/unfinished writings for the gentiles?

You don't go around telling people that you're CHOSEN and all that nonsense. Other nations and races will feel insulted and challenged by such claims. God does not practice favoritism and prejudism.
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The do. It's called the OLD TESTAMENT! laugh.gif
You are right. God does not practice favouritism. It's no fun being the chosen race for the Messiah as Israel found out.
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post Jul 8 2023, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Jul 8 2023, 02:01 PM)
I'm saying it's no wrong to believe in a Creator but RELIGION is often distorted because laws and teachings are by men.
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You are barking up the wrong tree.

You're known to be a problem maker where there is no problem you intend to make a problem.

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post Jul 11 2023, 09:31 AM

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God confirms it by his word, He is for us.

Romans 8:31 (NIV) - What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us?

Living the everyday life can be difficult because many times we slip into the natural cycle of doubting God.

This is why it's important to see God through his word in the Bible.

When in doubt, have faith believing God is for you and not against you, whatever the circumstance is.

The enemy would not attack or harass you if they don't see the potential you have in your life to glorify God.

I urge you by the word of God, know that God is on your side. Press on, don't give up.

God Bless.


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What about Hebrews 6?

Hebrews 6: 4 - 8 (NIV) - It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the end it will be burned.

There are people who abuse scripture (as above) to put fear into the believer's life, implying they can at anytime be in danger of losing their salvation. It's a huge irony that the people who uses the scripture above, after their "fiery doom and gloom" preaching, opens up the pulpit to offer repentance to lost and wayward. Do you see the irritating irony? Because scripture says "it's impossible". By doing so aren't they contradicting that exact meaning. Impossible means no way, by offering repentance, you are implying there is way. The person's understanding of scripture is a big blunder.

I'm here to destroy that argument because it's not referring to believers.

A person can be enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift and yet may not be a saved person.

Enlightened basically means one who has been given understanding. This can happen to save as well as unsaved people. For example when a teacher explain in detail about Christ, the person may understand but whether he/she accepts it as truth to be subscribed to is another matter altogether.

Tasted in this verse context and in biblical sense meaning one who have a taste of God's power. This is different from people who drinks in God's offer of Salvation and power.

John 4:14 (NIV) - but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.

How is this possible? One who tasted God's power doesn't necessarily means the person has indwelling Holy Spirit. Example are the seven sons of sceva (Acts 19) or Judas. Judas followed Christ wherever he goes. He was there when Christ preached. Quite sure he understood a bit if not some of the messages given, yet his heart didn't really believe Christ, merely saw Him as a teacher. Did judas cast out devils? Yes he did! But was he saved? Answer is no.

So to whom Hebrews 6:4-8 is referring to?

Understand that the title of this book is "hebrews" and it's written to the hebrews who practises Judaism. It is written to the hebrews but it is also for the benefit of gentile believers' understanding.

The verse above in context refers to people who understood the person of Christ, may have tasted God's power but still reject Christ' offer of Salvation and rather go back to Judaism.

For these if they fall away, it's impossible to be brought to repentance. Why?

Simple answer: They did not have the Holy Spirit to help them. When such of these are lost, they are left on their own. There is no hope in Human strength that is stained by sin, it makes it flawed and inconsistent.

Consider all that is said above and then you read verse 9 of Hebrews 6. It starts off by

Hebrews 6:9 (NIV) - Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case—the things that have to do with salvation.

Do you see the contrast?

Do you see the word "in your case"? Then see the word "Things that have to do with Salvation"? This is for the believers! Verse 9 - 12 is referring to believers as opposed to those in Verse 4 - 8.

There is a contrast here between Verse 9 - 12 and Verse 4 - 8. They are different sets of people in reference.

What is my purpose in today's devotion? I do not believe God is in the business of doubt but the opposite. God wants strong faith and confirmation for people. For too long some scripture has been abused to cause believers to be shaken.

I'm here with conviction of God's Holy Spirit to give you biblical hope and freedom. When God says "no one can snatch them out of my hand", no one can. (John 10:28)

Never again, allow anyone to use the scripture above (Hebrews 6:4-8) to shake you or deceive you.

Be strong and courageous in the Lord!

God Bless.











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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jul 8 2023, 02:43 PM)
You are barking up the wrong tree.

You're known to be a problem maker where there is no problem you intend to make a problem.

Last warning. No more cryptic posting, another one will be deleted.
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You know what, he was right about that one for ONCE.

Thank God that we have the Begotten Son of God, Jesus Christ, to teach us about God. Kesian others are just men teachings.
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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Jul 7 2023, 02:26 AM)
Ooops, sorry man, just saw your post to me.

I understand what you're saying, but here's the difference.....I can't "faith it".

Sorry, but I really can't. The material world is more real to me than the spiritual. Which is exactly the oppo of what the bible says.

Can you walk on water? I can't. I know you can't either. & I dunno anyone who can. 

Have you seen amputees regrow their limbs at healing rallies?

Have you heard an ass speak? How about a talking snake?

How about angels? Have you seen satan before? How about heaven or hell? 

Dreams & visions are not good enough. Just mind tricks.

I need solid evidence. Unfortunately, there's simply not enough evidence for the christian god. 

Evolution on the other hand, provides mountains of evidence. That we are a slow grinding process happening over thousands of generations.

Life is random. And this life is all there really is. Some truths are very hard to swallow, but it is what it is.

The afterlife is just a human construct. It's superstitious beliefs started by ancient Egyptians 6000 - 7000 years ago. That's 5000 B.C. !

Antiquated fairy tales that have managed to survive into modernity due to human superstition.

​I wasted so much of my life being duped by Christianity  cry.gif

I know better now.

Christianity is built on the visions, dreams and fantasies of 1st century zealots, who couldn’t distinguish between their hallucinations and reality.

They knew nothing about evidence and labored under the misapprehension that what went on their own heads, was as real as what happened outside them.

Look, if you can hear the H.S. speaking to you, you better have yourself checked for schizophrenia  sweat.gif . That's all I'm saying.
https://infidels.org/library/modern/richard...rier-ntcanon/#6

http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/postmonth/1996.html
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i understand what you are saying and i think you have not really examined all the evidence available before coming to your conclusions.

the fact that you and i are using electronic devices to communicate our views to each other is actually the best evidence that there is a Creator

would you agree with me if i said that we, by that i mean living organisms, are much more complicated than the computers we are using to type our views?
living organisms are self powered, self propelled, self replicating. each individual cell is a complex structure by itself.

would you believe me if i told you that the device you are using, is the result of an accident, perhaps like a lightning bolt striking a pile of materials lying around and the heat melted the materials forming the device you now use?



you made a statement "evolution has mountains of evidence" . perhaps i am less well read but i have yet to come across these mountains that you speak of.
all i have seen are speculations based on speculations. every paper is richly peppered with terms like possibly, probably, and statements like these

But when given enough time and accumulated changes, natural selection can create entirely new species, a process known as "macroevolution,"

take a step back and ask your self, even if evolution is true, where did the very first organism emerge from?
how did this organism decide to adapt itself to suit it's environment? where did that intelligence to do so come from? before it adapted, how did it survive?
if evolution is true, how did so many species come to be in the same environment? shouldn't there be only just one species as it is most suited for that environment?
why then is there a whole ecosystem where each type of organisms serves as both prey and predator to other organisms and it meshes together as a self sustaining cycle?

in short, it actually takes much more faith to believe in evolution than to believe in a Creator.

and on afterlife being a human construct, wow, that is a very brave stand to take.
even Pascal dare not take that stand. (go look him up)

if i were you, i would examine the motivations that shape my choices, and if those motivations are sufficient to withstand judgement if it ever comes to that





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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Jul 7 2023, 02:26 AM)


I understand what you're saying, but here's the difference.....I can't "faith it".

Sorry, but I really can't. The material world is more real to me than the spiritual. Which is exactly the oppo of what the bible says.

IQ can't see, but so powerful.... it shows when a person speaks and solve problem

DNA can't see, but so powerful... one extra gene and you have down syndrome. One Y determines you have a penis.

LOVE can't see, but so powerful.... until people commit suicide for it... and people die to save others.


The most important thing for me in this world is the things that I cannot see... they are the most real.


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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Jul 16 2023, 06:18 PM)
Ermm…..for a doctor, your critical thinking skills are quite poor  dry.gif

You’re responding entirely from an emotional POV. Not even responding to the issue that I’d raised.

While science does not claim to have all the answers, it’s indeed a good benchmark to use, to measure a lot of things in the material world.

IQ? Intelligence can be measured. Nothing to do with whether you can see it or not!

So what’s your point exactly?

DNA? Hello! without employing science, how did humans manage to discover DNA in the first place?  doh.gif

Doctors don't do blood test meh?

Are you also aware that there is a device called a microscope, which can see things that your naked eye can’t? As a doctor, you should know that! 

LOVE? Comon! Now it sounds like you’re pulling my leg! You mean as a doctor, you don’t know how science discovered neurotransmitters and hormones?

Things like dopamine, serotonin, & other brain chemicals?

I don’t think you understand my post: the supernatural claims in the bible are too unbelievable. christians are a superstitious lot.

The natural world that we live in, is more real than heaven, hell, demons, ghosts, angels, talking donkeys & snakes, etc. 

In this case, seeing IS believing. 

You need to give better examples. Try again.
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I've explained how I see things. Nothing emotional nor needing to bring in my profession into this.

Bible always says check the facts. That's why it's backed up by history. Not some kind of Harry Potter book. So make it succinct. What is it that you don't see that you don't believe?

Do you also carry the mindset that no religion can see God hence God doesn't exist? Just want to understand from your perspective. Sorry if I didn't scroll back previous posts.

Personally for me.
Seeing is believing - is the greatest lie in today's time.

The same way young kids tell their lover: if you love me, you'd jump in front of the train for me. Dead. And you think that's real love.

But we can agree to disagree on that.
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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Jul 16 2023, 06:23 PM)
Ahhh, my dear unknownwarrior

So easy for you to delete all my posts & labelling them as “ignorant post”.

Stifling what you do not understand. Shows how much(or little) class you have as the leader of this thread  smile.gif .

Perhaps you are afraid of discovering the real truth?

Do you know that historical findings are full of evidence for the Egypt of antiquity?

The evidence is so overwhelming, there isn’t even a break in chronology of Pharaohs, & yet the bible doesn’t name the Pharoah of the Exodus! Why is that?

This issue alone poses the problem of pinpointing the exact time period for when the Exodus took place.

Who was the Pharoah who oppressed the Israelites?

There's also no evidence for a people who wandered the desert for 40 years! Archaeology doesn't lie!
Perhaps, you should educate yourself with proper history, instead of having your nose in the bible all the time.

Let the Stones Speak
Archaeology and the Old Testament


http://www.ebonmusings.org/essays/otarch.html

http://www.ebonmusings.org/essays/otarch1.html

http://www.ebonmusings.org/essays/otarch2.html
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LET THE STONE SPEAK




https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/merneptah-stele/

https://biblearchaeology.org/research/chron...es-and-the-exod
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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jul 17 2023, 09:09 AM)
LET THE STONE SPEAK


https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/merneptah-stele/

https://biblearchaeology.org/research/chron...es-and-the-exod
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praise the Lord

we christians follow the new testament, and not the old testament. because the old testament represents the laws and the prophets, full of regulations of dos and don't, yet very weak and useless in saving humanity.

but we christians are not bound by the laws but we are bound by an oath. An oath made by God himself, to us and unchangeable, where he promised us a priest, an everlasting priest in the order Melchizedek, not from Aaron line. and in Him we rest our hope for our future.
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Amen.

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