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post Dec 10 2022, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Dec 10 2022, 10:20 AM)
The Law is not of faith

Galatians 3:12 (ESV) -  But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.”

Good Day fellow Christians.

Today's main verse tells us ...The law is not of faith. Let's study the word "of"

In the Greek  "Ek" which is "of" means "from, from out of".
To understanding, Let us use an analogy.

Jesus "of" Nazareth. What does "of" in this context means? It simply means Jesus grew up in Nazareth, the experience. People knew He grew up there and was active there.

Same as you can say John is from KL. So John is familiar with that place. John is connected with that place.

With that being said, the Law is not of faith would simply mean God's Law has nothing to do with Faith. In fact, they are in opposite of each other.

To understand better, one needs to understand the purpose of God's Law. Galatians 3:19 tells us, God's Law came in along side or added because of transgression (Sin). The phrase came in along side or added denotes it was not God's main agenda for his creation. It was something secondary and not of primary will of God.

Scripture tells us, The strength of Sin is God's Law. IE God's Law empower sin. (1 Corinthians 15:56)

Romans 4:14 -15 (BSB) For if those who live by the law are heirs, faith is useless and the promise is worthless, because the law brings wrath. And where there is no law, there is no transgression.

Read all these verses I've provided.

If God's Law empower sin and has bearing to make faith useless and God's promises worthless, in fact without the law, there is no transgression meaning sin is made powerless, why do you still want to approach unto God's Law?

I do not know to make this any more clearer. I do not know if there are churches still teaching God's Law as series to follow week after week, killing faith in result but I do pray God's Holy Spirit make this clear to you.

Don't look to God's Law any longer but look to Christ Jesus who can remove all the curse of the law from your life and gives you all the blessings you very much needed by GRACE.

Even apostle Paul calls the gospel, the Gospel of Grace! (Acts 20:24)

Divorce yourself from God's Law, get married to God's Grace! Everyday keep depending, relying on God's Grace!

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post Jan 19 2023, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Jan 19 2023, 04:55 PM)


PROOF OF KING DAVID DISCOVERED! Archaeological researchers coming to solid conclusions on the Mesha Stele for the first time.
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bible has always been a book of history, who says those characters are fictions?
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post Mar 14 2023, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(unknown warrior @ Mar 14 2023, 10:07 AM)
Sophie no more in here, I guess just you and me.

Yup, very long indeed.  hmm.gif
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post Apr 2 2023, 06:23 AM

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QUOTE(somewhataut @ Apr 2 2023, 01:39 AM)
Has anyone heard of the chosen ones? what i've been experiencing since a few years ago matches the signs, i'm not even christian
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What do you mean chosen ones?


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post Jun 29 2023, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 17 2023, 01:49 PM)
Agree. The worst is "Everyone prays to the same God, just that different versions etc etc." Nope. No same, no same.
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absolutely.

look at the nature of the different God, then we know we are not talking about the same God.

Some God is based on faith and grace, while some is based on law and death.
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post Jun 29 2023, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(Roman Catholic @ Jun 29 2023, 05:10 PM)
That is ok.

The real problem is when it is our very own bros & sisters in faith who says that, makes one wonder what has gone wrong ?
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because they practice peace, not speaking the truth.
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post Jul 15 2023, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Jul 7 2023, 02:26 AM)


I understand what you're saying, but here's the difference.....I can't "faith it".

Sorry, but I really can't. The material world is more real to me than the spiritual. Which is exactly the oppo of what the bible says.

IQ can't see, but so powerful.... it shows when a person speaks and solve problem

DNA can't see, but so powerful... one extra gene and you have down syndrome. One Y determines you have a penis.

LOVE can't see, but so powerful.... until people commit suicide for it... and people die to save others.


The most important thing for me in this world is the things that I cannot see... they are the most real.


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post Jul 16 2023, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Jul 16 2023, 06:18 PM)
Ermm…..for a doctor, your critical thinking skills are quite poor  dry.gif

You’re responding entirely from an emotional POV. Not even responding to the issue that I’d raised.

While science does not claim to have all the answers, it’s indeed a good benchmark to use, to measure a lot of things in the material world.

IQ? Intelligence can be measured. Nothing to do with whether you can see it or not!

So what’s your point exactly?

DNA? Hello! without employing science, how did humans manage to discover DNA in the first place?  doh.gif

Doctors don't do blood test meh?

Are you also aware that there is a device called a microscope, which can see things that your naked eye can’t? As a doctor, you should know that! 

LOVE? Comon! Now it sounds like you’re pulling my leg! You mean as a doctor, you don’t know how science discovered neurotransmitters and hormones?

Things like dopamine, serotonin, & other brain chemicals?

I don’t think you understand my post: the supernatural claims in the bible are too unbelievable. christians are a superstitious lot.

The natural world that we live in, is more real than heaven, hell, demons, ghosts, angels, talking donkeys & snakes, etc. 

In this case, seeing IS believing. 

You need to give better examples. Try again.
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I've explained how I see things. Nothing emotional nor needing to bring in my profession into this.

Bible always says check the facts. That's why it's backed up by history. Not some kind of Harry Potter book. So make it succinct. What is it that you don't see that you don't believe?

Do you also carry the mindset that no religion can see God hence God doesn't exist? Just want to understand from your perspective. Sorry if I didn't scroll back previous posts.

Personally for me.
Seeing is believing - is the greatest lie in today's time.

The same way young kids tell their lover: if you love me, you'd jump in front of the train for me. Dead. And you think that's real love.

But we can agree to disagree on that.
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post Aug 31 2023, 05:46 AM

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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Aug 30 2023, 02:52 PM)
Anyone can recommend me a good church in Cheras?
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QUOTE(freeofjeff @ Aug 30 2023, 07:47 PM)
it depends which denomination you are going? there are quite numbers of church in Cheras...
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QUOTE(WyjSwmW @ Aug 30 2023, 10:32 PM)
Please recommend me one Methodist and one Protestant church. TQ
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good is subjective

now i realize whichever denomination, most important is to have a church where:

1. the pastor or priest doesn't air people's story during service
2. members who don't gossip as to pass their time
3. members asking for money to help them cause they are too poor
4. pastors who keep preaching about give 10% of your income as tithing (how many times do you need to preach that)

mostly are aunties who have too much free time and end up gossiping, and to some, church is the reason why people don't want to go to church.

I am not Catholic, but I have seen Catholics behaving much better than a Protestant.

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 31 2023, 06:45 PM)
Worst still there are some of them who will threaten you that your money belongs to God and if you don't contribute tithes bad things will befall you. laugh.gif
Such as you'll have accidents, bad outcomes in life, lots of obstacles etc.

I shun these type of people whenever such things are brought up. Straight up blacklisted in my list of friends/contacts.
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Ah, the pious Christians who are holier than thou.

Tithing is only 1 verse in the old testament, but they enlarge it like it's your whole world. That's why I despise people who keeps preaching that as if nothing else to preach.

And it's old testament. New testamanr never said churches should be formed by church members who contribute 10%

And tithing is for God. Not for pastor's expensive cars and flights, pay for 247 AC in church, new chair, new reno, and all pastors do is preach preach preach.

I know pastors daughters who talk shit about Malaysia, who show off everytime they go travel, who is obsessed with branded goods. Very high position in the protestant group in Malaysia. Not 1 pastor but 2 pastors daughter. Another 1 has a NGO but own children won't work or help out there, then want to leave Malaysia cause it's a shit place. Haha, that's pastors for you and where your money goes to.

Church must also be good steward of money. If I don't see my money put to good use, to the poor to the needy. Sorry, that's not the church I want to be part of.

Someone I know worshipped pastor like God even gave so much money cause she thinks she will get blessings. When she had health problem, pastor was too busy that he needed to give sermon online 3 times a day, no time to attend to needs.

If people like to talk, be a trainer, sales person or marketer. Don't be a pastor and pretend you're saving people. A sermon needs only 15 20 mins to convey your point. No need to go round and round about it.

It's in church I find too many hypocrisy and ugly side of human. Even outsiders behave better. That's the sad affair of church today. And beneath my heart, I find the loneliness of not able to fellowship with others, those I can are out of church. Church has disappointed many people.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 25 2024, 03:48 PM)
Oh really? An emperor has no control over a religion founded to control his own people?

I'm still not buying the nonsense that I'd be going to hell just because I don't believe a man who doesn't even know who his father was and claim it was the doing of some unexplainable being who conceived him instead, shortlived (died in just early 30s) and the corpse remains still remains in the tomb.

Heaven must be filled with ex-criminals then, not the kind of pleasant place one could imagine.

Your last sentence there about not believing in Christian God and doesn't mean the religion doesn't appeal you reflects that you're confused and delusional.
It dissolves the purpose of wasting your time attending churches every Sunday and hints your church attendance has other purposes. Am I right? biggrin.gif
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i realize smart people/ intellectual argumentative people can't understand a faith if you don't involve your heart to think.

people have stated their opinion, and shared with you, yet you keep debunk refuse ignore reject, be all you like, but people have explained.

all religions stand by one condition - free will, freedom to choose. there after you bear the consequences.

church is one thing, faith is another. are you an atheist?
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post Feb 25 2024, 05:12 PM

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two are two hearts

1. one heart to know and learn

2. another heart just to argue

if your purpose is to argue, then it's pointless. but if you want to have a constructive discussion, please have it.
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post Aug 1 2024, 05:39 AM

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either we have a spirit of learning and discussion, or a spirit of arguing and wanting to be right.

which one are you?
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post Aug 2 2024, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 10:13 PM)
My suggestion for you to reconsider making bold statements without putting in proper thoughts have moved your spirit.

Aside from the talking donkey and turning water into wine.

How are you convinced that Jesus fed five thousand men with just five loaves of bread and two fishes?

Matthew 14:18-21 (NIV)
Try recreating that again in modern times if the story is real to convinced the people if God truly wants the world to know he exists and he wishes that people need to worship him to gain a nice place in the afterlife.
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I am convinced. If you aren't, that is your problem. Life is all about choices.

Either you have a spirit of learning or a spirit of arguing.
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post Aug 8 2024, 04:15 AM

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Some thread should be called

Why I left church?

Why I left Christ?

Why I left Christianity?

All look the same but mean differently.

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 8 2024, 09:34 AM)
Maybe you know the bible better than the rest of us?
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not sure where zanness went. hope he is still around...


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post Aug 10 2024, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Aug 10 2024, 04:26 PM)
No worries.
They have gone to RWI.  biggrin.gif
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Oh, no wonder quiet here.. I will have a peep there, thanks for letting me know smile.gif
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post Aug 10 2024, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 10 2024, 06:22 PM)
I'm still here in the event there's any requirements. And I've told Lurkingaround to bring it to PM as it seems repetitive in his comprehension and the problem is his understanding of the BIBLE itself.. I've sent him 3 PMs out of good gesture, none that was replied.
That is still fine as it is afterall still BIBLE related.. It is just logical and reasonable to not humiliate him in public.. but its his choice afterall... I had no intentions of removing chats of such.. because those are examples of how lost some christians can be in reading the Bible.. its good examples..

But as to those few who started criticizing the Bible and the FAITH itself.. That's an entirely different matter.
as a Christian.. it's quite clear what to do..
And these are the posts that should not belong in here... as it serves no purpose..

The Bible are ancient text passed down orally or by writing from older days.. it is a result of a long and complex process involving multiple authors..
At its worse, you could call it a History book..

But those who want to ridicule the Bible and its contents, no one is forcing you to believe it..
Christians believe, end of the day, everyone answers for themselves..
And our job, is NOT to convince you to believe in the Bible..
Our job is just to tell you about it.. and thats the end of it..
So if you have decided NOT to believe in God, good.. be gone.. that's your choice..

Whichever CHRISTIAN that starts insisting and forcing you to say OH YOU MUST BELIEVE IN GOD!, that's just them not know the Bible enough..

This thread has a TS which ignorantly has left it unattended.
hence the emergence of various irrelevancy.

The world has various RELIGIONS that originates from their respective myths or stories or histories..
You either believe there IS a God or there ISN'T a God..
And from there, you make a choice if its supernatural or science..

For anyone to dispute that the miracles in the Bible are fake, either an atheist who believes its just science.. or just a trouble maker who believes in his version of God with HIS OWN VERSION of the supernatural stories.. so why the hypocrisies?

And if we already know its of such intentions, why then even bother responding?

The Bible is clear enough to address such people and what Christians SHOULD Do..
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I personally encourage everyone to challenge their own faith. I've challenged and questioned many times and it's always draw me closer to God.

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