Ironically, the title of this thread is, "love is the greatest", but fear is actually the greatest, to keep the sheeple obedient & toeing the line.

The carrot & stick of either threats of hell fire, or the rewards in heaven. That's how religion controls you .

If god really did exist, he would not allow his followers to splinter into so many factions & denominations. Think!

That's why kristianiti/churches are always so disappointing. All of us here have our own stories to tell.

I guess not enough holy spirit power, to help his followers to overcome.

And unity?

Just look at yeeck the R.C., poking his nose in here, subtly injecting his flavor of doctrine, into our protestant thread.

Heck, even our own 2 protestant bros, have been going at each others throats for the past 2 weeks

Why not pray & ask the old man to come down & clear the air, once & for all?



It actually took me years to fully let go of kristianiti because of fear. What if I was wrong? I'm going to hell .


Like a dog returning to its vomit (2 Peter 2.22) I returned to religion.

I wasted so much of my life being duped by kristianiti

I allowed it to prevent me from living as myself, furiously gleaning the boring bible, hoping to unearth gems, but finding none, and also wasted time and money on it, while switching off my critical faculties to immerse myself in its murky depths.

I know better now

Kristianiti is built on the visions, dreams and fantasies of first-century zealots, who couldn’t distinguish between their hallucinations and reality.

They knew nothing about evidence, and labored under the misapprehension that what went ONin their own heads, was as real as what happened outside them.

You think I’m overstating the case? Then you don’t know your bible. My cognitive dissonance is over.

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Quoting 'zanness' post for the record or as proof.
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Some thread should be called

Why I left church?

Why I left Christ?

Why I left Christianity?

All look the same but mean differently.

Maybe you know the bible better than the rest of us?

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In this life on earth, Jews and Christians fearing Almighty God is like how ordinary Malaysian citizens should fear being saman or arrested by the powerful PDRM and local authorities, so that the people can have a peaceful and prosperous society and nation/"kingdom".

If we are fearing Almighty God or the powerful Police in this life on earth, we should also fear God's curse of hell in the afterlife.
....... Of course, no one alive can prove with evidence what is the afterlife after death, eg heaven or hell, reincarnation until achieve godhood or buddhahood, decay back into nothingness or atoms, become ghosts, etc. This is where our faith/belief/trust comes into play vitally.For Christians, iIt's like a child trusting the word or promise of his/her good father that he will bring him/her to Sunway Lagoon or Zoo Negara during the coming long school holidays for getting good grades inthe school exam.
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The splintering is caused by the Fall and Adam's Original Sin which handed dominion over the earth to Satan, who then became the ruler of this world or earth. - JOHN.12:31. Hence Jesus Christ's Parable of The Sower & The Wheat and Tares at MATTHEW.13. and apostle Peter's warning about our arch-enemy, Satan's hate for Man at 1PETER.5:8.

This is like a youth blaming God for him/her being born into a poor family and born not good-looking. He/she should rightly blame his/her forefathers because the blessings of prosperity and good-looks usually come to good and law-abiding people, eg as per DEUTERONOMY.28:1-14, ROMANS.2:5-13, etc.
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For the record, IINM, when 'Avangelice' posted at 'zanness' new Christian Fellowship V17 thread to disagree since this V16 thread was/is still open, 'zanness' responded by editing his topic title to something like "Christian ONLY Fellowship thread V1" and the Mod/Staff {= 'Everdying' .? ) soon closed 'zanness's new religious thread which the Mod posted as should only be opened at RWI. Later 'zanness's thread was deleted by the Mod.

The next day, 'zanness' opened his new "Christian Fellowship V1" thread at RWI but he wrongly believed he could still remove posts like at SK and then wrongly believed he could get Mod to remove posts by reporting non-Christianity related posts. I posted there to correct his wrong understanding or his ignorance.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 10 2024, 04:54 PM

not sure where zanness went. hope he is still around...

No worries.
They have gone to RWI.

Oh, no wonder quiet here.. I will have a peep there, thanks for letting me know

I'm still here in the event there's any requirements. And I've told Lurkingaround to bring it to PM as it seems repetitive in his comprehension and the problem is his understanding of the BIBLE itself.. I've sent him 3 PMs out of good gesture, none that was replied.
That is still fine as it is afterall still BIBLE related.. It is just logical and reasonable to not humiliate him in public.. but its his choice afterall... I had no intentions of removing chats of such.. because those are examples of how lost some christians can be in reading the Bible.. its good examples..

But as to those few who started criticizing the Bible and the FAITH itself.. That's an entirely different matter.
as a Christian.. it's quite clear what to do..
And these are the posts that should not belong in here... as it serves no purpose..

The Bible are ancient text passed down orally or by writing from older days.. it is a result of a long and complex process involving multiple authors..
At its worse, you could call it a History book..

But those who want to ridicule the Bible and its contents, no one is forcing you to believe it..
Christians believe, end of the day, everyone answers for themselves..
And our job, is NOT to convince you to believe in the Bible..
Our job is just to tell you about it.. and thats the end of it..
So if you have decided NOT to believe in God, good.. be gone.. that's your choice..

Whichever CHRISTIAN that starts insisting and forcing you to say OH YOU MUST BELIEVE IN GOD!, that's just them not know the Bible enough..

This thread has a TS which ignorantly has left it unattended.
hence the emergence of various irrelevancy.

The world has various RELIGIONS that originates from their respective myths or stories or histories..
You either believe there IS a God or there ISN'T a God..
And from there, you make a choice if its supernatural or science..

For anyone to dispute that the miracles in the Bible are fake, either an atheist who believes its just science.. or just a trouble maker who believes in his version of God with HIS OWN VERSION of the supernatural stories.. so why the hypocrisies?

And if we already know its of such intentions, why then even bother responding?

The Bible is clear enough to address such people and what Christians SHOULD Do..

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 10 2024, 06:25 PM

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Its flattering to have someone follow my updates.. but when you call someone ignorant, do get your facts right..
Not surprising, as usual, you put in false accusations and instead of focusing on the right things (eg. the Biblical doctrines, clarifying your Biblical understanding, and so much more.. ), you have focused on me opening and closing threads.. and even that you fail to grasp the one important thing I even bother replying to your imaginary biblical understanding.. which is for the edifying of other Christians' faith..

Instead, you let your pride of not wanting to be WRONG even though you are, chase me around multiple threads and not addressing the main point..

As I said, I have come to understand your confusion requires more private discussion to save you humiliation.. but unfortunately, even after 3 PMs.. you decided to ignore.. now.. THATS.. IGNORANCE..

I appreciate what you're doing here 🙏🏻

I personally encourage everyone to challenge their own faith. I've challenged and questioned many times and it's always draw me closer to God.

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John 14:26 ,” But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”

God promised we will be able to learn.. as long as we do not hardened our hearts

I’ve always been amazed , especially in the last two weeks, how easy the Bible has shown it’s truth

This thread used to contain more biblical discussions rather than vain comments or opinions..

This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 10 2024, 11:33 PM

Since some people may be confused on how to read and understand Bible verses, let's look at some hot topics in last weeks..

UNDERSTANDING "SAINTS" IN THE BIBLE

The New Testament contains 13 letters attributed to Paul
The 13 are Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galations, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1 and 2 Thessalonians, 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon.


As all of the above examples show, Paul has a consistent method on how to address the letter.
It consistently start from who sent it; which was Paul, and to whom it was sent to; most of the time to the “Saints” AND to the other people who believed in Christ
Now interestingly (as I recently discovered), there are some school of thoughts that think since these letters are addressed ONLY to Ephesus, or ONLY to Galatia, etc.. then whatever that was mentioned in that letter do not take weight to Christians. This is VERY WRONG, MISLEADING, and shows proof of LACK OF BIBLE STUDY.
Allow me to explain from the Bible why it is impossible and dangerous for a Christian to think as such.

1.We must be consistent in interpreting the Bible.
If a person wrongfully assume Ephesians is only for those in Ephesus, means everything in Ephesus is no longer valid for Christians.
Which means Romans, are only for those in Rome, and Galations only for Galatia, and Philippians only for Philippi, and so on.
Every letter from Paul was attention to someone or a group of people.
Does it mean all those letters no longer apply for Christians?
NO! because it does not make sense and is a very wrong imaginary interpretation
Because we know, the introduction was always to more than just 1 group of people.
For example:
Ephesians-->to the saints, AND to the faithful
Colossians--> to the saints AND faithful brethren
Galations-->All the brethren..
And the list goes on…


We must not ignore the following verses that shows Paul’s letters are for not just SAINTS, but also for Christians which ARE SAINTS.
Romans 1:7, “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.”
All in Rome, called to be saints.. Again, this we know, includes GENTILES and JEWS. And we know not just those in ROME, but those who were beloved by God are called to be SAINTS.
Ephesians 2:19,” Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;”
Just before Ephesians 2:19, Paul was talking about salvation, how Gentiles as well, were loved by God.
Colossians 1:12
So let no one confuse you that Christians, are not saints.
From Romans 1:7 and Ephesians 2:19, we know Jews, Gentiles, were called to be saints.

Stay tune for the next post which I will then share on the logics of reading / interpreting the Bible and not leaving it to any personal opinions

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zanness My repost for your reminder, .......

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Fyi, my reply today to 'zanness' at RWI, .......

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110244153 - Protestant matters - RWI

IOW, the Bible/Scripture says that the 12 apostles, the first martyr Stephen, some faithful Jewish Christian saints and some faithful Gentile Christian saints in Ephesus, Philippi, Rome, Corinth, Galatia, etc, circa 1st century AD, have already been elected/chosen and predestined by God to be saved from hell but as for the rest of the Christians after them like us today, let God/Jesus be the judge as to our election/chosenness and predestination by God wrt us being saved from hell, ie saved solely by faith in Christ/Messiah.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Aug 11 2024, 02:20 PM

Once more
Did you reply for the sake of replying and not even addressing the verses?

You put in opinions and not substantiating whatever you say
You should wait for my next reply which I will do for your sake
On how to read, interpret, and cross reference biblically

For now
I advice you try to at the very least read, understand, and discuss from the verses I told you instead of planting your opinions and thoughts

You don’t want to be called a heretic for that
Thanks

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Remember the Lord/God Jesus Christ's Parable Of The Sower, The Wheat And The Tares at MATTHEW.13, ie there are and will be Christians planted in Churches who will lose faith in Christ = lose salvation, for various reasons, eg by following doctrines of demons because of their ignorance of the Bible/Scripture, during times of tribulation and persecution (= love their lives > Jesus/God), they love money/well-paying jobs > God/Jesus, etc.
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P S - Fyi, I often do ignore comments/opinions by others here at SK and RWI that are biblically out-of-context and/or misinterpreted or based on false teachings or doctrines of demons or when I agree to disagree with others.

No difference with the lost
You see the Bible verses that don’t suit you
You ignore?

Thanks for admitting you do ignore BIBLE verses
At the very least If you throw at me Bible verses to substantiate your believe I can at least discuss with you Bible verses

The fact I’ve presented to you clear Bible verses that are self explanatory without me even saying,
And yet you IGNORE!

That explains why you would want to limit people in their comments

Cos once it’s something that you can’t agree on and you don’t have the facts, and when someone exposes you for how lost and unfounded you are, you ignore them

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This post has been edited by zanness: Aug 11 2024, 03:49 PM

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Fyi, there are some LYN forum members whom I ignore, ie put on my Ignore List, for various reasons, eg for making personal insults or ad hominem attacks, offensive posts, etc against me.

Why do you think the LYN Forum has the Ignore List, our smartphones have the Block List, etc.?

Fyi, .......

ISAIAH.53:7 (NKJV) = 7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He opened not His mouth;
He was led as a lamb to the slaughter,
And as a sheep before its shearers is silent, ...
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