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zanness
post Aug 1 2024, 06:12 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Aug 1 2024, 06:01 PM)
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
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Excellent choice of verse!
A very common verse to be used during the Lord's Supper.
But what about the results of unworthily ?

same chapter.
1 Corinthians 11: 29,30,"For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."

Right?? so now.. focus on v30..
"....Many are weak.."
"...and sickly among you,.."
"..and many sleep."
Weak, Sickly, SLEEP!!
Nothing here suggests losing salvation either.. in fact more of reassuring it..

Do you know why in the Bible, SLEEP are for Christians?
There's a whole load of verses on it.. SLEEP..

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post Aug 1 2024, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(lurkingaround @ Aug 1 2024, 06:06 PM)
The main point here is you misinterpreting the Bible verse at JOHN.10:28-29.
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Enlighten me.. Where did i misinterpreted it..
Even though i kept my words to the MINIMAL and MERELY use Bible quotes.. please..please enlighten me where i 'misinterpreted' it.

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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 06:12 PM)
Excellent choice of verse!
A very common verse to be used during the Lord's Supper.
But what about the results of unworthily ?

same chapter.
1 Corinthians 11: 29,30,"For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.  For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep."

Right?? so now.. focus on v30..
"....Many are weak.."
"...and sickly among you,.."
"..and many sleep."
Weak, Sickly, SLEEP!!
Nothing here suggests losing salvation either.. in fact more of reassuring it..

Do you know why in the Bible, SLEEP are for Christians?
There's a whole load of verses on it.. SLEEP..
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Are you not aware that yeeck is an R.C. ?

Why would you agree with him? We are protestants!
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QUOTE(Grape Seed X @ Aug 1 2024, 07:00 PM)
Are you not aware that yeeck is an R.C. ?

Why would you agree with him? We are protestants!
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I assume R.C. is Roman Catholic?

If his understanding of the Bible is correct.. we cant lie to say we dont agree..
As far as the points he raised.. we should agree if the Bible says it so, and where it doesnt, we should as well.

Like lurkingaround fella, if he raises a right point from the Bible, i will agree to him..
but in most cases if its just opinions from other authors, and the Bible says otherwise.. that's where I wont give way at all.

Although not biblical, there are Christians and churches that can be traced from before protestants..
Where Catholics persecute them, and after the Protestants , they along with Catholics persecute them.. until they agreed and try to be more like them instead..


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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 1 2024, 09:53 AM)
those gift during time of christ and apostle as recorded in bible are real

the modern one though, let say just take it with huge sack of salts
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How you know they are real? You lived more than 2000 years to have witness it yourself?

The talking donkey, the parting of the sea and water turn into wine to name a few..

A shipped built out of wood with ancient technology that would house only a pair of each animal species. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 08:35 PM)
How you know they are real? You lived more than 2000 years to have witness it yourself?

The talking donkey, the parting of the sea and water turn into wine to name a few..

A shipped built out of wood with ancient technology that would house only a pair of each animal species. hmm.gif
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And may I ask what you believe is real then?
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 09:18 PM)
And may I ask what you believe is real then?
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I believe facts which is at present and proven convincingly only by science of modern times.
Like water is wet, fire is hot.

Not written tales which can's be replicated in present day which you call miracles. Anyone can rewrite history and tell tales of the extraordinary for entertainment.

Talking donkey? Water turning into wine? Transfiguration into heaven? laugh.gif

Try replicating that at present and do it everyday so that visitors can be witness for themselves God wants the world to know he exists.

I'm sure God can do a better evangelical job than to ask people to believe tales written in a book by men if he wants people to be convinced?
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 09:37 PM)
I believe facts which is at present and proven convincingly only by science of modern times.
Like water is wet, fire is hot.

Not written tales which can's be replicated in present day which you call miracles. Anyone can rewrite history and tell tales of the extraordinary for entertainment.

Talking donkey? Water turning into wine? Transfiguration into heaven? laugh.gif

Try replicating that at present and do it everyday so that visitors can be witness for themselves God wants the world to know he exists.

I'm sure God can do a better evangelical job than to ask people to believe tales written in a book by men if he wants people to be convinced?
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so what are you doing here then?

you are lost?

or no one layan in other thread?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 1 2024, 09:44 PM)
so what are you doing here then?

you are lost?

or no one layan in other thread?
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To make you rethink of what you said and claimed boldly that everything mentioned in the Bible said is facts.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 09:49 PM)
To make you rethink of what you said and claimed boldly that everything mentioned in the Bible said is facts.
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look at thread's title

if you don't believe in god, that is your business. don't spread your nonsense here

you are well known in /k for stupid thread which no one understand
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 09:37 PM)
I believe facts which is at present and proven convincingly only by science of modern times.
Like water is wet, fire is hot.

Not written tales which can's be replicated in present day which you call miracles. Anyone can rewrite history and tell tales of the extraordinary for entertainment.

Talking donkey? Water turning into wine? Transfiguration into heaven? laugh.gif

Try replicating that at present and do it everyday so that visitors can be witness for themselves God wants the world to know he exists.

I'm sure God can do a better evangelical job than to ask people to believe tales written in a book by men if he wants people to be convinced?
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So you believe in science and there’s no God?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 1 2024, 09:50 PM)
look at thread's title

if you don't believe in god, that is your business. don't spread your nonsense here

you are well known in /k for stupid thread which no one understand
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My suggestion for you to reconsider making bold statements without putting in proper thoughts have moved your spirit.

Aside from the talking donkey and turning water into wine.

How are you convinced that Jesus fed five thousand men with just five loaves of bread and two fishes?

Matthew 14:18-21 (NIV)

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18 “Bring them here to me,” he said. 19 And he directed the people to sit down on the grass. Taking the five loaves and the two fish and looking up to heaven, he gave thanks and broke the loaves. Then he gave them to the disciples, and the disciples gave them to the people. 20 They all ate and were satisfied, and the disciples picked up twelve basketfuls of broken pieces that were left over. 21 The number of those who ate was about five thousand men, besides women and children.


Try recreating that again in modern times if the story is real to convinced the people if God truly wants the world to know he exists and he wishes that people need to worship him to gain a nice place in the afterlife.

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 10:13 PM)
My suggestion for you to reconsider making bold statements without putting in proper thoughts have moved your spirit.

Aside from the talking donkey and turning water into wine.

How are you convinced that Jesus fed five thousand men with just five loaves of bread and two fishes?

Matthew 14:18-21 (NIV)
Try recreating that again in modern times if the story is real to convinced the people if God truly wants the world to know he exists and he wishes that people need to worship him to gain a nice place in the afterlife.
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it is called miracle for reason you know

now go back to your vegan diet
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 10:02 PM)
So you believe in science and there’s no God?
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Don't get me wrong, I do believe in a Creator but don't try selling me silly ridiculous stories like Noah's Ark or Talking Donkey.

Just because you tell me your version of God is a flying cow, while i imagine him a talking cat it shouldn't deprive me of any chances to be able to enter the gates of heaven and condemned to hell while also being called an atheist.

What if I told you that God doesn't interfere with human lives but you insists that I believe in your version of God's story to be saved? What you want me to do?
To be your follower and making fools out of your followers?

So what is the basis and purpose of "religion"?
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 1 2024, 10:14 PM)
it is called miracle for reason you know

now go back to your vegan diet
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How did you come to a conclusion that they're REAL then?

What difference does a MIRACLE and a LIE then when you can't replicate it in present time? If God wants you to know he exists and yet he make you take a 50/50 chances bet with a historical stories to earn yourself a place in heaven in your afterlife?
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 10:29 PM)
How did you come to a conclusion that they're REAL then?

What difference does a MIRACLE and a LIE then when you can't replicate it in present time? If God wants you to know he exists and yet he make you take a 50/50 chances bet with a historical stories to earn yourself a place in heaven in your afterlife?
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you use the yard stick of science to measure religion

i am not sure how you can be this ignorant

maybe you are bored because no one actually layan you in /k

btw just go back to your vegan diet
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 10:25 PM)
Don't get me wrong, I do believe in a Creator but don't try selling me silly ridiculous stories like Noah's Ark or Talking Donkey.

Just because you tell me your version of God is a flying cow, while i imagine him a talking cat it shouldn't deprive me of any chances to be able to enter the gates of heaven and condemned to hell while also being called an atheist.

What if I told you that God doesn't interfere with human lives but you insists that I believe in your version of God's story to be saved? What you want me to do?
To be your follower and making fools out of your followers?

So what is the basis and purpose of "religion"?
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My question was, and still, is simple .. you say this is nonsense? Okay.. so what do you believe in then?
A creator? Okay! So what do you believe about it then.. what’s your basis..
you don’t have to make a huge turn to dodge the bullet
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QUOTE(desmond2020 @ Aug 1 2024, 10:33 PM)
you use the yard stick of science to measure religion

i am not sure how you can be this ignorant

maybe you are bored because no one actually layan you in /k

btw just go back to your vegan diet
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Of course a book written by men claimed to have happened in history tells of a talking donkey and says it happened.

But till today have you witnessed a talking donkey throughout your entire life?

A true religion of humility and truth never tells ridiculous stories to gain audiences in modern times. It wasn't the case a few centuries/millennia ago.

Rulers needed to convince the masses they were descendants of Gods to gain the trusts and believe of the people that they're God's mandate.
Back then there was no internet or proper science education ya know. brows.gif

Christianity was a Roman's Emperor creation.
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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Aug 1 2024, 10:48 PM)
Of course a book written by men claimed to have happened in history tells of a talking donkey and says it happened.

But till today have you witnessed a talking donkey throughout your entire life?

A true religion of humility and truth never tells ridiculous stories to gain audiences in modern times. It wasn't the case a few centuries/millennia ago.

Rulers needed to convince the masses they were descendants of Gods to gain the trusts and believe of the people that they're God's mandate.
Back then there was no internet or proper science education ya know. brows.gif

Christianity was a Roman's Emperor creation.
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you seem to know such religion with humility

please name it
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QUOTE(zanness @ Aug 1 2024, 10:35 PM)
My question was, and still, is simple .. you say this is nonsense? Okay.. so what do you believe in then?
A creator? Okay! So what do you believe about it then.. what’s your basis..
you don’t have to make a huge turn to dodge the bullet
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No one is dodging any bullet.

Blind believe is dangerous they say. Anyone high on weed or the uneducated can believe anything they wish for as long as their thoughts leads them.
Proven facts on the other hand is convincing and is openly available for anyone to seek confirmation.

How does your religion convinces that heaven/hell exists in the afterlife instead of incarnation? Do you provide sponsored tours by God to those places and arranged interview/private meetup with Jesus?

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