Why not just simplify things by specifying which church both of you go to and then we can start from there rather than spamming the entire thread with copy & paste?

I personally dont believe in speaking in tongues, holy laughter, etc.. so called gifts.. 
the purpose is not consistent to what the Bible say..
but then again, this opens a huge debate.. feel free for anyone to chime in (FROM THE BIBLE) on why those so called gifts are real..

Just dropping by, and checking out the madness from the past few pages.
I'm mostly familiar with the points of debates/questioning that apologist usually answers(Frank Turek, Cliff Knecthle, William Lane Craig). But shit....some of the questions asked are so insane, its actually good if youre trolling. If not, my man, get some serious medical help. Also, seek knowledge outside of your own church, community, with all the "flavors" out there, the chance of you getting the pure version is pretty low (unless you researched and experienced tons of churches).

Still insist its opinions?
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Prove that you dont read my replies.. which are ALL BIBLE VERSES! Merely replying for the sake of it..

Your heart is so hardened.. There's nothing to comment if even plain Bible verses cant get to your heart.. only prayers and God can

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All were BIBLE VERSES! Lols.. comments? Opinions? you need a dictionary.. those verses are self explanatory even without me putting words..
Still.. all ignored.. reasons its the BIBLE? highlight which is an opinion or comment? Let's see them together if its truly a 'comment' as you so claim.

Please see in the LIST OF IGNORANCE you have.. and re-read them ..
When you quoted this, I told you none says you lose the Holy Spirit. YOU OPINONATED SO! and for your benefit (in case you lack understanding and reading), please dont ignore the verses YOU YOURSELF shared

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
John 14:26, "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you"

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
Acts 1:4,"And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me."
Acts 1:8,"But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth."

Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
1 Corinthians 12:4,"Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit"
Hebrews 2:4,"God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?"

Don't get me wrong. I agree that's the HOLY SPIRIT.. what I think you're delusional, is you copy and paste, and come to your own conclusions without even READING the verses!

2 Timothy 1:13? I told you and explained to you already. Did you read? nevermind, ill reshare it..
(To your question of 'Why Fear?', READ IT, its not an OPINION.. its the BIBLE!)
2 Timothy 1:7,8,"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;"
(READ IT! What did the Bible say? its English so im not going to define the words cos its self explanatory.)
2 Timothy 1:9,"Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,"
UNDERSTAND PLEASE! "....which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began"
Did it say you lose the Holy Spirit?
You are already CHOSEN ! and as usual, cherry picking the bible and not reading it entirely..
2 Timothy 1:13,14,"Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. That good thing which was committed unto thee keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us."
What does it say?
Hold fast the form of sound words
committed unto thee
keep by the Holy Ghost which dwelleth in us

So you wanna add a .. YOU LOSE YOUR HOLY SPIRIT? your OPINION? your DOCTRINE????
Matthew 10:32
My goodness.. why do you keep IGNORING the BIBLE?
Go look at item 10 on the IGNORANCES..
MATTHEW 10:32,".. DENY.."
Deny = arnēsomai = ἀρνήσομαι
Hello? ITS THE BIBLE! ITS THE ORIGINAL GREEK LANGUAGE!!
and ἀρνήσομαι or arnēsomai, or back in the KJV times the word DENY, is DISOWN!
HELLO? BIBLE!! Its like you referring to a dictionary.. not an opinion.. yours is.. this is FACT..
Revelation 20, 1 Thesallonians 4:16-17.
I told you.. NATIONS! you call them as CHRISTIANS.. and say they lose faith?
Who's putting in words into the Bible..

Revelations 13:11-18, 14:9,
Mark of the beast. wont be saved. thats a FACT..
Bible didnt mention saved Christians would receive the mark.. thats ALSO a FACT..
Matthew 24:15,"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"
This will be a "sequel" to how most of the apostles of Christ were martyred for not obeying the Imperial decree to worship the Roman Emperor or his statue as God - MATTHEW.24:15.
This.. is YOUR OPINION.. "how most of the apostles of Christ "

Blasphemy.
Disciples asking Jesus about end of the world
Matthew 24:3," And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?"
Context of the end of world type of people
Matthew 24:11,"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many."
Hope for PEOPLE to be saved; Still didnt mention losing of faith FYI..
Matthew 24:13,"But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Who it was preached to!
Matthew 24:14,"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
Matthew 24:15,"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"

So you have effectively reworded Matthew 24:14?  suddenly ,"...in all the world..." becomes CHRISTIANS?
Matthew 24:15 is talking about the world..  WHOSO READETH, LET HIM UNDERSTAND.. READ  ! PLEASE !

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Is your above post ALL Bible verses or just your Bible comments/opinions or views on the Bible verses.?

Fyi, the meaning of Bible verse, .......

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verse
verse - noun

4 : one of the short divisions into which a chapter of the Bible is traditionally divided
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Duh, so correct me if I'm wrong, but am I correct to say that lurkingaround is saying James preached falsehood in the Bible while zanness believes in OSAS?  

That’s the summary yes

So far there’s lack of Biblical discussion that says OSAS is wrong , while plenty of Bible verses that affirms your salvation.

Feel free to indulge me in verses that says you lose your faith.. I don’t mind repeating the Bible verses for discussion as long as it’s BIBLE BASED

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Is your above post ALL Bible verses or just your Bible comments/opinions or views on the Bible verses.?

Fyi, the meaning of Bible verse, .......

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/verse
verse - noun

4 : one of the short divisions into which a chapter of the Bible is traditionally divided
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Delusional as usual
Just pick any example of what you claim to be my opinion of a Bible verse.

We’ll take it from there

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Fyi, it's not biblical to reject quoted commentaries by other mature Christians or "counselors". AFAIK, here at SK, Christians can discuss matters cordially. Only at RWI, Christians can debate matters heatedly against one another. .......

PROVERBS.11: = 14 Where there is no counsel, the people fall;
But in the multitude of counselors there is safety.
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My opinions are also based on the Bible. The difference between our opinions is which of our opinion is more in line with the Word of God/Jesus or Bible. Eg, which one of us is misinterpreting, misquoting, quoting out-of-context or misusing the Bible.?
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As I said, if the BIBLE ALONE, is not enough for you..and opinions are your flavours, then all the best to you.
Proverbs 18:2 ,"A fool hath no delight in understanding, but that his heart may discover itself."
2 Timothy 3:16,"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"
Matthew 4:4,"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."
In Jesus' ministry and approach, COUNTLESS TIMES, Jesus quoted the WORD of God Which was the old testament.
I will still ignore opinions that has no word of God /biblical basis.

Very interesting you quote Proverbs 11:14. Dont ignore Proverbs 11:9,"An hypocrite with his mouth destroyeth his neighbour: but through knowledge shall the just be delivered." KNOWLEDGE! The WORD OF GOD! NOT OPINIONS
and if you lack understanding of Proverbs 11:14,"Where no counsel is, the people fall: but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety."
Counsellors.. THROUGH THE WORD OF GOD! NOT OPINIONS..

If your opinions are biblically based, show me the verses and i show you your lack of understanding.
1PETER.1:3-5
So technically you are saying 1 Peter 1: v3 is addressed to one group of people? and suddenly v4 is to a DIFFERENT group?
If this is how you understand the Bible, then it explains why you dont understand it.

1 Corinthians 15:
Have you actually READ IT?
1 Corinthians 15:2,"By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain."
1 Corinthians 15:50,"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."
V49?,"And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly."
V53?,"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

You quote these verses but event in NKJV, have you read and understood it?
we SHALL BE CHANGED!.. SHALL BE!! Thats why in v50, we CANT inherit the kingdom of God UNTIL we be changed!

so the question to you is, do you have confidence in your faith? Can you show from the Bible you are saved?
Ephesians 3:12,"In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him."
What kind of faith do you have if you think you can work your way to heaven?

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ISAIAH.9:6 = 6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

PROVERBS.12 = 12:20 Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil,
But counselors of peace have joy.

EZRA.7:14 = 14 And whereas you are being sent by the king and his seven counselors to inquire concerning Judah and Jerusalem, with regard to the Law of your God which is in your hand; ...

2CHRONICLES.22:4 = . 4 Therefore he did evil in the sight of the Lord, like the house of Ahab; for they were his counselors after the death of his father, to his destruction. 

= no la. You are misinterpreting "counselors" as the Word of God or God's Law/commandments.
....... Jesus the Word (JOHN.1:1 & 14) = Counselor =/= Counselors.

The Bible often refers to counselors as people who could be good or evil counselors, ... and often refers to God's Law as good counsel.
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Isn't it written in the Scripture that speaking in tongues must be accompanied by an interpretation ? Without an interpretation, what use then is the speaking in tongues, if nobody can understand what it means ?

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We have already done that with your Bible comment/opinion about the Bible word "counselors", which to me, your comment/opinion is wrong. .......

That’s the summary yes

So far there’s lack of Biblical discussion by that lurkingaround fella  that says OSAS is wrong , while plenty of Bible verses that affirms your salvation.
And he’s probably lost (Yes, his claims is the book of James is wrong and God put it there on purpose)

Feel free to indulge me in verses that says you lose your faith.. I don’t mind repeating the Bible verses for discussion as long as it’s BIBLE BASED

It's not either or. For me, salvation is an ongoing process that began when I was granted the grace to believe and ends when we see God for eternity in Heaven. It was John Calvin who started this belief of OSAS.

but on serious note, there is plenty of warning to be steadfast in faith

for example

1 Timothy 1:18-20
English Standard Version
18 This charge I entrust to you, Timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them you may wage the good warfare, 19 holding faith and a good conscience. By rejecting this, some have made shipwreck of their faith, 20 among whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.

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Seems you believe in the false doctrine of "Once Saved Always Saved" or OSAS, .......

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=110126880 - How does one know they are saved?, And not going to hell? - RWI
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No la. I believe even saints or "true" Christians can lose faith = lose salvation if they are over-confident, not sober, vigilant, careful, wary, etc. And if such were to then dabble in the occult, they can become demon-possessed or demon-oppressed like King Saul.
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1CORINTHIANS.9:27 = 27 But I discipline my body and bring it into subjection, lest, when I have preached to others, I myself should become disqualified.
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HEBREWS.3: = 12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God; 13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called “Today,” lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin. ...
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If saints or "true" Christians do not or cannot lose salvation by losing faith in Christ, why did the apostle Paul warn them about unbelief or losing belief/faith/trust in God or in Jesus Christ.?
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2PETER.1: = 5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble;  ...

= "true" Christians can stumble and lose their salvation/election by not diligently doing the good works that are the fruits of faith in Christ. .......
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Again, your false  (demonic) accusations, and also abusing the Bible to fit your own narrative/opinion against others. .......

REVELATION.12:10 = 10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.  ...

12 Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Btw, what is your comment/opinion on the false doctrine of "Once saved, always saved" or OSAS, which 'unknown warrior' taught.?
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That’s the summary yes

So far there’s lack of Biblical discussion by that lurkingaround fella  that says OSAS is wrong , while plenty of Bible verses that affirms your salvation.
And he’s probably lost (Yes, his claims is the book of James is wrong and God put it there on purpose)

Feel free to indulge me in verses that says you lose your faith.. I don’t mind repeating the Bible verses for discussion as long as it’s BIBLE BASED

Delusional as usual
Just pick any example of what you claim to be my opinion of a Bible verse.

We’ll take it from there

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We have already done that with your Bible comment/opinion about the Bible word "counselors", which to me, your comment/opinion is wrong. .......

Did you read when I clarified your “Counselors” in the next reply and from the BIBLE verse itself? 
I guess not
Like all the Bible verses you ignored..

I imagine else can get somewhere with the truth.
Please continue to elaborate.. how does the word “counsellors” become an opinion?

Did you forget I quoted the Bible and there are also “evil counsellors?”

My advice to you.. is put down your pride..

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At times I go with the wise counsel of "Agree to Disagree" wrt our Bible comments/opinions, ie I ignore further discussion on that matter = this does not mean my or your comment/opinion is right or correct or biblical/scriptural. Let other readers judge for themselves and let God/Jesus be the final judge.
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Whatever copy and paste you did, I even explained their Bible verses.. in the long incomplete list of Bible verses you ignored
So, were there biblical discussions? If you understand what it means..

And do not ignore the accusations you so freely make