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post Jun 19 2013, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 16 2013, 09:08 AM)
Thanks for sharing, good to share and exchange knowledge.

OAE = Screw Driven = WORM Drive in engineering term, there are good and bad for WORM and planetary/Epicyclic gearing.  WORM have seaf breaking (non-reversibility), Planetary required breaking gears/shaft to prevent the gate push open.

Given the same build and quality both will last long. Correct me if I am wrong, during my search for autogate I find the DC motor will be harder to fit in smaller gate like 10' gate, putting the DC motor may take up more space, and actually the submerge/arm version will be better.
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jun 18 2013, 09:28 AM)
In terms of pricing for spare parts, it also have to consider how much the dealers are selling too. ARM-type usually forced to replace the whole arm unit due to the complexity and non serviceable parts. For RM 250 most probably to get you a recondition arm type motor, RM 400 I would believe is a brand new arm type. But that's the price for one arm. Normal swing/fold system have two arms. If both arm break-down, is double the price you mention.

Compared with DCMoto/Casa Asia using planetary gearbox. It's like staged modular gearbox. Parts are replaceable, doesn't force the owner to have the complete motor system to be replaced! Usual parts that wears out is the main gear reducer. Probably last 3-5 years before it require replacement. For your information, I've never replace a complete DCMoto motor system to date! What If the DCMoto/Casa Asia faulty is just a few piece of gears which can be replaced probably around rm 100 or less for each side, you wouldn't have to force yourself replace the whole motor system.

If you're worried about unable to find spare parts for DCMoto/Casa Asia, you can always log in to their website & contact them. They will assist you on getting the spare parts. I've haven't heard of hard to get spare parts from them.

The reason DCMoto customized their circuit board is to make it perfect for customer demand for safety, reliability, featured-wise and smoothness. DCMoto has been coming up with generation of circuit board to fine-tune it. Have you seen a auto-gate system circuit board that is pure plug-play? Any ARM-type system requires you to adjust the sensitivity of the arm forcing to push/pull the gate. DCMoto/Casa Asia doesn't need that, wire up the motor cable, power up and let it "LEARN" the first time for auto calibration. Since it runs on programmed digital timing, it will never go wrong with the gate movement.
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wad is the meaning of learn?

lui wad do u mean by "As compare to those arm system, the huge stainless steel body will stuck in between the folding gate and causing it cant open to the max"?

btw are dcmoto/casa asia gates able to open wide as that advertised by unigate?from the comments its seems MAG is much recommended,can someone deliberate on how it works?as in izzit a system or juz an 'arm' itself?


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post Jun 19 2013, 09:27 PM

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My gate around 10 feet only don't know DC Moto suitable or not.

QUOTE(lui @ Jun 19 2013, 05:30 PM)
After reading the professional comment and information from Jimmy, I will give DC a try if I'm allow to choose again.
Because i will extend my gate from now 10" to future 14", if the arm block the folding by 1" then i will remain 12" only after the gate open. Which i think is a main concern for me.
If your gate is 20" wide, then waste of 2" to you is nothing. But for my small house, 14" is the max i can give to my gate.
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post Jun 19 2013, 10:47 PM

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jimmylim85 oor anyone else, a bit of advice plz,err can casa asia/dcmoto/MAG gates have all the below?

user posted image adjustable hinges

user posted image3 point support wif strong arm

user posted imagewider gate opening


n why is there a need for adjustable hinges?
are there other trackless gate systems for sale besides unigate?i'm quite worried about the sinking tracks n d gate bearings jumping out

at d same time,can u also take some time to answer my prev questions -)
thanx

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post Jun 20 2013, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Jun 19 2013, 10:47 PM)
jimmylim85 oor anyone else, a bit of advice plz,err can casa asia/dcmoto/MAG gates have all the below?

user posted image adjustable hinges

user posted image3 point support wif strong arm

user posted imagewider gate opening
n why is there a need for adjustable hinges?
are there other trackless gate systems for sale besides unigate?i'm quite worried about the sinking tracks n d gate bearings jumping out

at d same time,can u also take some time to answer my prev questions -)
thanx
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Above hinges and bearing adjustable. It can be done by any iron gate obtaining this type of bearing and hinges mount. Nothing to do with DCMoto or Casa Asia.

You shouldn't worry about track-guide folding gate sinking, you should be more worried that UniGate will sink cause is trackless and sole-dependent on the your pillar for weight support.

I will response to your question bit by bit. No worries biggrin.gif
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post Jun 20 2013, 12:26 AM

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Comparison of space required between OAE and DCMoto 925W

OAE space required.

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GFM 925W space required

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GFM 925W maximum opening gap

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post Jun 20 2013, 12:33 AM

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QUOTE(lui @ Jun 19 2013, 05:30 PM)
After reading the professional comment and information from Jimmy, I will give DC a try if I'm allow to choose again.
Because i will extend my gate from now 10" to future 14", if the arm block the folding by 1" then i will remain 12" only after the gate open. Which i think is a main concern for me.
If your gate is 20" wide, then waste of 2" to you is nothing. But for my small house, 14" is the max i can give to my gate.
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No worries, DCMoto 925W works well even 23' length gate.

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Don't worry about the gap in folding gate. Good and excellent workmanship will have 8" gap the smallest possible. If they made in 10" still acceptable but the gap leaving 12-15" is total suck! I've install DCMoto with opening gap 16" doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif because of bad workmanship iron gate guys did.

GOLDEN RULE : DCMoto/CASA Asia have a maximum opening gap space 8" nothing more or less. If exceed then is the iron gate manufacture problem with skill or else you have a curb outside blocking the opening leaf gate.
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post Jun 20 2013, 12:35 AM

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Is is true for OAE folding gate system, only have the function to open both gate at the same time and 1 side [either left or right] only? Even the control board install inside the house also only have 2 buttons.
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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 19 2013, 07:13 PM)
Your gate in inches or feet? Arm or DC motor you still block. When I check few installer DC moto actually larger foot print than arm. Well at least for my case with oae is smaller footprint.
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Here is your guide of the foot print https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/530387/+1220# biggrin.gif
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post Jun 20 2013, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jun 20 2013, 12:26 AM)
Comparison of space required between OAE and DCMoto 925W

OAE space required.

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GFM 925W space required

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GFM 925W maximum opening gap

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Do you have profile for swing? I did my comparison on Swing, not folding. Mine is abouy 7"
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post Jun 20 2013, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jun 20 2013, 12:17 AM)
Above hinges and bearing adjustable. It can be done by any iron gate obtaining this type of bearing and hinges mount. Nothing to do with DCMoto or Casa Asia.

You shouldn't worry about track-guide folding gate sinking, you should be more worried that UniGate will sink cause is trackless and sole-dependent on the your pillar for weight support.

I will response to your question bit by bit. No worries  biggrin.gif
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lol right,but wad is d purpose of adjustable hinges?
so any gate supplier can use those 3 point bearings upon request?how much generally to do that?
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QUOTE(zodd @ Jun 20 2013, 12:35 AM)
Is is true for OAE folding gate system, only have the function to open both gate at the same time and 1 side [either left or right] only? Even the control board install inside the house also only have 2 buttons.
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Wrong!

Since 2011 OAE has a board manufacturer built a circuit board having the ability to operate either single leaf + both leaf + pillar light control. Using 4 button remote control and built in 4 channel receiver. The board model is NX12 and right now is being manufactured by OAE itself. Is a clone anyway. Chipset and parts placement remain the same. For new generation board made for OAE. THIS IS A TIP for users of OAE, you can operate single leaf operation from the same button that you operate your gate inside your house. STEP 1, depress and hold the button as long you can to desired degree of single leaf operation. If you just press and let go, it will just operate both leaf. I'm sure many doesn't know this function but it exist! rclxms.gif go give it a try and enjoy. It doesn't applies to DCMoto since GFM905 have 5 button keypad back in 2008. biggrin.gif

Those are still using 2 channel remote control is so so old days. Folding gate/Arm gate/ DCMoto/ Casa Asia has 4 button remote control. The first to commercially utilized 4 button remote control to control individual leaf and both leaf is DCMoto GFM905.
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post Jun 20 2013, 12:42 AM

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QUOTE(zodd @ Jun 20 2013, 12:35 AM)
Is is true for OAE folding gate system, only have the function to open both gate at the same time and 1 side [either left or right] only? Even the control board install inside the house also only have 2 buttons.
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All depend on the circuit board. 2 buttons can also open right or left. Pressing the same button longer will open the other side.
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post Jun 20 2013, 12:47 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 20 2013, 12:42 AM)
All depend on the circuit board. 2 buttons can also open right or left. Pressing the same button longer will open the other side.
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So, can set by the installer? strange coz when I ask the installer, he said only can choose right or left only. so he set to open both side and right side..no way to open left side only . The brand don't have that option he said.
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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Jun 20 2013, 12:39 AM)
lol right,but wad is d purpose of adjustable hinges?
so any gate supplier can use those 3 point bearings upon request?how much generally to do that?
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Adjustable hinges, is only applied during initial installation of the gate. There is bound to have flaw in measurement from your gate or else pillar to pillar length. Your masonry contractor might built pillar to pillar length of example, 16' feet. But it will never be 100% precise right? Your gate will always be manufacture smaller than 16'. The reason for the adjustable hinges is to compensate the gap difference. Once is hooked up, is no more in use for the adjustable hinges blush.gif Simplified meaning, usefull during initial installation, afterward is useless.

Usually nobody uses 3 point hinges, it seems there is no bearing applied since is so small size. Ordinary folding gate uses bearing hinges to minimize wear and tear and gap-less for smooth swinging.
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QUOTE(zodd @ Jun 20 2013, 12:47 AM)
So, can set by the installer? strange coz when I ask the installer, he said only can choose right or left only. so he set to open both side and right side..no way to open left side only . The brand don't have that option he said.
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If you're board is NX12 as I mention, then you just buy 4 channel remote control will do. Programmed into the motherboard and you can have the ability of controlling left, right, both and pillar light.

I will grab a picture on how the board look like.

And for weikee, whats the point of having two button remote able to control left and right but missing the pillar light control function.
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QUOTE(zodd @ Jun 20 2013, 12:47 AM)
So, can set by the installer? strange coz when I ask the installer, he said only can choose right or left only. so he set to open both side and right side..no way to open left side only . The brand don't have that option he said.
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Because most installer don't read instruction menu. You can try press the one side button for bit longer.
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jun 20 2013, 12:50 AM)
If you're board is NX12 as I mention, then you just buy 4 channel remote control will do. Programmed into the motherboard and you can have the ability of controlling left, right, both and pillar light.

I will grab a picture on how the board look like.

And for weikee, whats the point of having two button remote able to control left and right but missing the pillar light control function.
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My comment have nothing to do with the pillar light. Is on the normal 2 button remote for some board pressing longer on the button that open one leaf will open on the opposite leaf.
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Will try the method. thanks....as for the motherboard, not sure the series. Your picture might help a lot. thanks
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QUOTE(zodd @ Jun 20 2013, 12:56 AM)
Will try the method. thanks....as for the motherboard, not sure the series. Your picture might help a lot. thanks
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Will snap the photo for you by tomorrow.
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post Jun 20 2013, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jun 20 2013, 12:48 AM)
Adjustable hinges, is only applied during initial installation of the gate. There is bound to have flaw in measurement from your gate or else pillar to pillar length. Your masonry contractor might built pillar to pillar length of example, 16' feet. But it will never be 100% precise right? Your gate will always be manufacture smaller than 16'. The reason for the adjustable hinges is to compensate the gap difference. Once is hooked up, is no more in use for the adjustable hinges  blush.gif Simplified meaning, usefull during initial installation, afterward is useless.

Usually nobody uses 3 point hinges, it seems there is no bearing applied since is so small size. Ordinary folding gate uses bearing hinges to minimize wear and tear and gap-less for smooth swinging.
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lol owh i tot its some kinda extra feature,actually is not useful when using lol..3 point hige shud be safer kua since the arm is attached to two different panels..maybe more effort needed to pry the gate open..wad r bearing hinges?unigate advertise they got 24 bearings on the gate itself,i dont really understand it now that i think of it
juz now u mentioned of trackless might sink,but unigate got like some tiang in d pillar
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so i think shud be able to bear weight kua...another problem with tracks is the wheels tend to jump oout wor...

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