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zroter
post Jul 9 2024, 01:27 PM

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my saga 2024 is stock on 185/55/15, i want to change to 205/45/17, what are your thoughts? and what about 195/50/16?
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post Jul 9 2024, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(zroter @ Jul 9 2024, 02:27 PM)
my saga 2024 is stock on 185/55/15, i want to change to 205/45/17, what are your thoughts? and what about 195/50/16?
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1st of all, you need to worry is the sport rim offset. A lot of sport rim in market is not for Saga and after fit will hit the fender when fetching heavy load or people. After that mechanic/tire shop will scam you to change aftermarket sport suspension/spring/buffer stuff and even more money wasted for mods to keep your sport rims.

2nd is the tire diameter. Did you check using tire size comparison?
There is a golden rule of not over +/-3% from original diameter as it will impact speedometer and suspension settings.

https://tiresize.com/comparison/

What the reason of changing bigger sport rim? Untuk gaya? Bro, your engine only 1.3L and fuel gonna price up soon. If want better stability in corners, get wider/lighter 15inch sport rim and fit 195/50/R15, this size is more common and cheaper to change.

BTW if your ride is new and still going back to SC to service, changing other sport rim and tire size can impact your warranty especially suspension & gearbox related. Better keep your original tires and rims, if anything happen need to revert back original before go claim warranty.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Jul 9 2024, 01:47 PM
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post Jul 9 2024, 01:50 PM

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QUOTE(zroter @ Jul 9 2024, 01:27 PM)
my saga 2024 is stock on 185/55/15, i want to change to 205/45/17, what are your thoughts? and what about 195/50/16?
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205 width will sagat the fender.

205/45R17 tire is too big. Tire diameter tolerance above 3% (5%)

I agree with Littlefire's comment. 195/50R15 tire is more common. This used to be the stock tire size for Saga FLX SE.

Lightweight flowforming wheels from Advanti would do.


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post Jul 9 2024, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Jul 5 2024, 04:22 PM)
I've tried both 16" & 18". 205 & 235.

Similar lousy sxxt. Wider tire behaved even worse.
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Aiyo.. I jst bought. but have not installed. still sitting in my living room. That bad huh ? I got VP4 - 205/50/16. Replacing 215/45/16. Whats the average do you drive that made u feel that the tires were not up to your requirements? Im jst daily to and fro from office. Dont really go past 100.

Should I sell them off?
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post Jul 9 2024, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Jul 9 2024, 04:57 PM)
Aiyo.. I jst bought. but have not installed. still sitting in my living room. That bad huh ? I got VP4 - 205/50/16. Replacing 215/45/16. Whats the average do you drive that made u feel that the tires were not up to your requirements? Im jst daily to and fro from office. Dont really go past 100.

Should I sell them off?
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I give you a few examples. Take it with a pinch of salt as I was using VP3. VP4 should have a slight improvement over VP3:
1. Tire spin from stop & go, on wet road.
2. When cornering, even during not so high speed between 60~80 km/h, there were incidences of tailspin (oversteer) on wet roads. If you do high speed cornering, for sure gonna have oversteer.
3. High risk of aquaplaning when drive over puddles.
4. Very noisy tire. Slow or fast. The faster you go, the higher the noise.

One of my cars are still using this tire. 235/50R18. Only 14k km driven with this tire. At the moment, this tire really limits the enjoyment of driving that car. I have to keep using this tire until botak or until I cannot tahan anymore.

Decision is up to you. You can try experience yourself. For me, I will not be using this tire brand series anymore.

This post has been edited by amscouzach57: Jul 10 2024, 10:43 PM
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post Jul 10 2024, 07:50 AM

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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Jul 9 2024, 05:57 PM)
Aiyo.. I jst bought. but have not installed. still sitting in my living room. That bad huh ? I got VP4 - 205/50/16. Replacing 215/45/16. Whats the average do you drive that made u feel that the tires were not up to your requirements? Im jst daily to and fro from office. Dont really go past 100.

Should I sell them off?
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https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Hankook/Ventus-Prime-4.htm

FYI, latest test VP4 is even more quiet than Primacy 4.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2024-Mo...r-Tyre-Test.htm

Comfort
Bridgestone produced the highest noise level at 73.3 dB, while Hankook was the quietest at 71.2 dB during the pass-by noise test​

I believe every new generation for sure got improvement, i will still go for VP4 if given a good value.
Only weakness from the test the comfort level is just average.

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post Jul 10 2024, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Jul 9 2024, 08:47 PM)
I give you a few examples. Take it with a pinch of salt as I was using VP3. VP4 should have a slight improvement over VP3:
1. Tire spin from stop & go, on wet road.
2. When cornering, even during not so high speed between 60~80 km/h, there were incidences of tailspin (oversteer) on wet roads. If you do high speed cornering, for sure gonna have oversteer.
3. High risk of aquaplaning when drive over puddles.
4. Very noisy tire. Slow or fast. The faster you go, the higher the noise.

One of my cars are still using this tire. 235/50R18. Only 14k km driven with this tire. At the moment, this tire really limits the enjoyment of driving that car. I have to keep using this tire until botak or until I cannot tahan anymore.

Decision is up to you. You can try experience yourself. For me, I will not be not using this tire brand series anymore.
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1, haha maybe your car too much torque? mine slow so should be ok
2, this one hmmm i usually hover around 70-80, currently on 7 year old tires still quite confident, but bunga wearing thin with this new work location im at. more travelling. can be a concern.
3 my phobia la, first accident due to aquaplaning.
4 so which have you swapped to ?

Im still on my ContiPremiumContact 2. haha tats how stingy I am on tires.
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post Jul 10 2024, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(littlefire @ Jul 10 2024, 07:50 AM)
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Hankook/Ventus-Prime-4.htm

FYI, latest test VP4 is even more quiet than Primacy 4.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2024-Mo...r-Tyre-Test.htm

Comfort
Bridgestone produced the highest noise level at 73.3 dB, while Hankook was the quietest at 71.2 dB during the pass-by noise test​

I believe every new generation for sure got improvement, i will still go for VP4 if given a good value. 
Only weakness from the test the comfort level is just average.
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Thats why I see mixed reviews everywhere. review sites seems to say its decent enough, bt many user experience also quiet mixed. I went for this cos saw a few recommended in my car whatsapp group.

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probably give it a go, if not up to expectations then sell to my friend
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post Jul 10 2024, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Jul 10 2024, 09:11 AM)
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Thats why I see mixed reviews everywhere. review sites seems to say its decent enough, bt many user experience also quiet mixed. I went for this cos saw a few recommended in my car whatsapp group.

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probably give it a go, if not up to expectations then sell to my friend
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Hankook usually can provide good value, dont expect too high. My experience even Korean Nexen tires did better than few local/China brands, but many also say this brand no good/bla bla bla reasons... laugh.gif I did my research, bought a set of Nexen RU1 for my crossover and perform well over 60000km without any flaws. thumbsup.gif

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post Jul 10 2024, 09:20 AM

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Michelin primacy 4 vs continental uc7..which is good in term of noise and comfort
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post Jul 10 2024, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(LiQuID2 @ Jul 10 2024, 09:20 AM)
Michelin primacy 4 vs continental uc7..which is good in term of noise and comfort
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post Jul 10 2024, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Jul 9 2024, 08:47 PM)
I give you a few examples. Take it with a pinch of salt as I was using VP3. VP4 should have a slight improvement over VP3:
1. Tire spin from stop & go, on wet road.
2. When cornering, even during not so high speed between 60~80 km/h, there were incidences of tailspin (oversteer) on wet roads. If you do high speed cornering, for sure gonna have oversteer.
3. High risk of aquaplaning when drive over puddles.
4. Very noisy tire. Slow or fast. The faster you go, the higher the noise.

One of my cars are still using this tire. 235/50R18. Only 14k km driven with this tire. At the moment, this tire really limits the enjoyment of driving that car. I have to keep using this tire until botak or until I cannot tahan anymore.

Decision is up to you. You can try experience yourself. For me, I will not be not using this tire brand series anymore.
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Yeah been using 18" Vp3 2x n yea cant complaint much as it its worth it n not bad on dry,yes wet only setback.
Ive changed tyres yearly,been using many types.
I guess u need high end type then,like Ps4/5 to suit ur type.
Even when I use pS4 also spin, but better in wet of course.

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QUOTE(amscouzach57 @ Jul 9 2024, 08:47 PM)
I give you a few examples. Take it with a pinch of salt as I was using VP3. VP4 should have a slight improvement over VP3:
1. Tire spin from stop & go, on wet road.
2. When cornering, even during not so high speed between 60~80 km/h, there were incidences of tailspin (oversteer) on wet roads. If you do high speed cornering, for sure gonna have oversteer.
3. High risk of aquaplaning when drive over puddles.
4. Very noisy tire. Slow or fast. The faster you go, the higher the noise.

One of my cars are still using this tire. 235/50R18. Only 14k km driven with this tire. At the moment, this tire really limits the enjoyment of driving that car. I have to keep using this tire until botak or until I cannot tahan anymore.

Decision is up to you. You can try experience yourself. For me, I will not be not using this tire brand series anymore.
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No 1,2,3 I faced the similar but for Continental UC6 SUV. When read on forum, FB group, similar review for this specific tyre, UC6, almost all annoying with this Wet grip. No 4, it excel cz quiet. And at 8k km after change, botak at side even with proper alignment done.
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QUOTE(DM3 @ Jul 10 2024, 09:30 AM)
Yeah been using 18" Vp3 2x n yea cant complaint much as it its worth it n not bad on dry,yes wet only setback.
Ive changed tyres yearly,been using many types.
I guess u need high end type then,like Ps4/5 to suit ur type.
Even when I use pS4 also spin, but better in wet of course.
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from FB user, many put praise for giti sport s2 tyre for performance but best bang for ringgit
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QUOTE(ayamxxx @ Jul 10 2024, 10:40 AM)
from FB user, many put praise for giti sport s2 tyre for performance but best bang for ringgit
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Im keen to try out Gripmaxx, since will change it in 1 yr also, currently the Kumho ps31 not so good
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QUOTE(DM3 @ Jul 10 2024, 10:51 AM)
Im keen to try out Gripmaxx, since will change it in 1 yr also, currently the Kumho ps31 not so good
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bro, why you need yearly change tires? can claim from company ka ? hahaha
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Jul 10 2024, 03:32 PM)
bro, why you need yearly change tires? can claim from company ka ? hahaha
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Lol, like to whack n take corners,racing lines etc tongue.gif
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QUOTE(DM3 @ Jul 10 2024, 03:42 PM)
Lol, like to whack n take corners,racing lines etc tongue.gif
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wah hahaha then you must write yearly tire reviews lah.. i jst about to swap my 1st set OE from car purchase.. after 80k km.. 7 years. But i slowpoke driver.
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Jul 10 2024, 03:45 PM)
wah hahaha then you must write yearly tire reviews lah..  i jst about to swap my 1st set OE from car purchase.. after 80k km.. 7 years. But i slowpoke driver.
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LOl yeah did so/shared within tyre sections, because of freq change n also need to make sure dont burnt my pockets.
Been using hankooks mostly since V12 several rounds, GT radial, nexen N6k,N8k, Ps3,4, conti:Cc5,mc4 ,Toyo,bridgestone,falkens
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Jul 10 2024, 08:05 AM)
1, haha maybe your car too much torque?  mine slow so should be ok
2, this one hmmm i usually hover around 70-80, currently on 7 year old tires still quite confident, but bunga wearing thin with this new work location im at. more travelling.  can be a concern.
3 my phobia la, first accident due to aquaplaning.
4 so which have you swapped to ?

Im still on my ContiPremiumContact 2.  haha tats how stingy I am on tires.
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I'm still using this tire on my 18 inchers. The replacement tires that I have in my wishlist would be Continental MaxContact MC7, Toyo Proxes Sport 2 or Yokohama Advan Sport V107.

However, on my other car that was also using VP3, the 16 inchers, I have swapped to Michelin Primacy 4. All round improvement. No more tire overspin or tail spin on wet roads.

This post has been edited by amscouzach57: Jul 10 2024, 10:54 PM

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