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takbodoh722
post Feb 22 2023, 08:41 AM

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Cobra gold will be significant this year. MAF sending contingent of 43 incl 37 officers. 6th time MAF participating.
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post Feb 24 2023, 07:25 AM

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22 FEBRUARY 2023

IDEX 2023: UAE confirms order for PT PAL landing platform dock

by Jeremy Binnie

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A model of PT PAL's 163 m multimission support vessel at NAVDEX 2023 in Abu Dhabi. (Janes)

The United Arab Emirates (UAE) announced it had awarded the Indonesian shipyard PT PAL an AED1.5 billion (USD408.32 million) contract to supply a “multimission vessel” during the IDEX 2023 show being held in Abu Dhabi from 20 to 24 February.

PT PAL confirmed to Janes that the contract was for a 163 m multimission support vessel, which is a landing platform dock (LPD). The plan is to start construction in Indonesia in 2024 with the completed vessel delivered to the UAE Navy five to six years later.

The contract was announced without a value in July 2022 as part of a comprehensive economic partnership agreement between Indonesia and the UAE, although sources told Janes at the time that it had not been finalised.

PT PAL said that it could not comment on the systems and armament that will be fitted to the ship, but Emirati companies will be involved and it will supervise the process.


Read more: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...g-platform-dock
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post Feb 24 2023, 07:30 AM

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Indonesian Navy new MCMV KRI Pulau Fani-731 on sea trial in Eckernförde, Germany.


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post Feb 24 2023, 07:49 AM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Feb 21 2023, 09:34 AM)

Spyder is interesting because the missiles are dual use or can be used by fighters.
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just about all air-to-air missiles can be launched from the ground, they just need a booster to get them into the target vicinity

QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Feb 20 2023, 09:15 PM)

Another innovation that the Sinkies did was to use ljdam for anti ship. That raised a few eyebrows when the muricans first saw how the sinkies were using  the F-15s.
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Bombs have always been used by NATO for antiship work, and laser-guided bombs were used in naval combat before JDAMs were invented
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post Feb 24 2023, 11:29 AM

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Yet zero of Malaysia's AAMs are ground launched. None of Malaysia's ground launched SAMs are air launched. Bomb use not so simple.

In theory and in forums, everything always possible.


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post Feb 24 2023, 06:42 PM

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PMX announce RM 17.7 billion allocation for defence. Also stated will acquire more Littoral Mission Ships (LMS).
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post Feb 24 2023, 06:44 PM

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Budget 2023: No more middlemen in defence procurements, says PM

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KUALA LUMPUR: The government aims to cut out the involvement of middlemen in defence procurements and will deal directly with foreign governments in such deals.

Prime Minister Datuk Seri Anwar Ibrahim said the debacle over the Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) issue cannot be repeated.

"The safety of the country has to be preserved to ensure peace and harmony. Weaknesses in procurement practices have affected the country's defence readiness.

"The procurement of the LCS cost more than RM6 billion, yet not even one vessel has been completed.
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"Such incidences cannot be repeated. From now, we need to eliminate the involvement of middlemen and deal with (foreign) governments directly (in procurement matters)," he said while tabling the 2023 Budget in the Dewan Rakyat today.

Anwar announced an allocation of RM18.5 million for the Home Ministry and RM17.7 billion for the Defence Ministry for 2023.

He said the bulk of the allocation, namely RM4.1 billion, would go towards the maintenance and purchase of armed forces assets to increase the nation's level of readiness.


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imho, even better if all futures procurement; all will be build and finished by the supplier, no longer use local companies for assembly and TOT deal nonsense, but it's a good start
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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Feb 24 2023, 06:44 PM)

imho, even better if all futures procurement; all will be build and finished by the supplier, no longer use local companies for assembly and TOT deal nonsense, but it's a good start
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post Feb 24 2023, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Feb 24 2023, 06:44 PM)
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imho, even better if all futures procurement; all will be build and finished by the supplier, no longer use local companies for assembly and TOT deal nonsense, but it's a good start
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Been there done that. While it sounds great in some people mind, in reality . Purchasing stuff directly overseas with foreign currencies without NO socioeconomic contribution to the local community & industry is extremely unattractive.

It would just lead the gov to either buy less that what MAF required like the Caracas or not buy anything at all.
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post Feb 24 2023, 07:04 PM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Feb 24 2023, 11:29 AM)
Yet zero of Malaysia's AAMs are ground launched. None of Malaysia's ground launched SAMs are air launched. Bomb use not so simple.

In theory and in forums, everything always possible.
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bomb use memang not simple for those who don't know how to click reply button

Malaysia actually did operate an air to air missile as a SAM before

but since we have not bought the SAM launchers for our current AAMs, obviously we cannot launch them from the ground

QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Feb 24 2023, 07:03 PM)
Been there done that. While it sounds great in some people mind, in reality . Purchasing stuff directly overseas with foreign currencies without NO socioeconomic contribution to the local community & industry is extremely unattractive.

It would just lead the gov to either buy less that what MAF required like the Caracas or not buy anything at all.
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well, our LCS programme thanks you very much for your socioeconomic contribution to the local community & industry

if purchasing stuff directly means we get less results than license-building it locally, then thank goodness we didn't buy the LCS direct, if we had, then we would end up with -1 ships sailing the seas, and we'd probably owe the French an additional ship

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post Feb 24 2023, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Feb 24 2023, 07:03 PM)
Been there done that. While it sounds great in some people mind, in reality . Purchasing stuff directly overseas with foreign currencies without NO socioeconomic contribution to the local community & industry is extremely unattractive.

It would just lead the gov to either buy less that what MAF required like the Caracas or not buy anything at all.
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Oh don't get me wrong, I do understand local partnership/TOT will bring more socioeconomic benefits for the nation in the long run.
but it's just that 'bad deals' after 'bad deals' that we keep getting (Boustead, Perimekar, etc) over these years, personally I think the local defense companies need some 'punishments', you get me?
like; no more gov deals with any local defense companies for maybe next 5-10 years, a temporary ban on them until they could regain the trust & they get their shit together. vmad.gif
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Singapore exercises option for 8 more F35bs per the initial FMS notice several years ago.

This brings the total number of F35s bought to 12 so far. Per Singapores procurement style, the F35s will be bought in batches.

Singapore has previously told the F35 program office that it will buy up to 100 F35s (likely tagged to the security situation in Asia). Recently, it was also revealed that Singapore is looking at the F35A model. It is likely that Singapore will end up with a mixed F35A/B fleet.

https://mothership.sg/2023/02/rsaf-8-more-f...fighter-planes/

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post Feb 25 2023, 12:04 AM

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PETALING JAYA: South Korea’s sole aircraft manufacturer says it has won a US$920 million (RM4.08 billion) deal to supply light fighter aircraft for the Royal Malaysian Air Force.

The Yonhap news agency quoted a statement from Korea Aerospace Industries Co as saying it had signed the deal with Malaysia’s defence ministry, Bernama reported.

The company said deliveries of 18 FA-50 light attack aircraft were set to begin in 2026, the report said.

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-from-malaysia/

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post Feb 25 2023, 04:25 AM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Feb 24 2023, 09:07 PM)
Singapore exercises option for 8 more F35bs per the initial FMS notice several years ago.

This brings the total number of F35s bought to 12 so far. Per Singapores procurement style, the F35s will be bought in batches.

Singapore has previously told the F35 program office that it will buy up to  100 F35s (likely tagged to the security situation in Asia). Recently, it was also revealed that Singapore is looking at the F35A model. It is likely that Singapore will end up with a mixed F35A/B fleet.

https://mothership.sg/2023/02/rsaf-8-more-f...fighter-planes/

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A bit weird to buy the F35 to replace the F15 as well.
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Feb 24 2023, 07:04 PM)


if purchasing stuff directly means we get less results than license-building it locally, then thank goodness we didn't buy the LCS direct, if we had, then we would end up with -1 ships sailing the seas, and we'd probably owe the French an additional ship

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If the LCS is bought directly from France it would still be sitting in the shipyard, get canned after 2 ship or turn into a OPV.

Because the main issue here is never about technical inabilities to glue ship together but because RMN refusals to utilise french missiles.
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post Feb 25 2023, 05:58 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Feb 25 2023, 04:25 AM)
A bit weird to buy the F35 to replace the F15 as well.
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If USAF, jsdf, iaf, etc could replace f-15 with f-35, why not rsaf?
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post Feb 25 2023, 06:45 AM

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Singapore isn't replacing the F15s with the F35s. The F35s are replacing the F16Vs in stages (some may add the F5 S/Ts which were retired a few years ago).

The F15SGs are expected to undergo a mid-life upgrade to the latest F15 standard in the late 2020s before being replaced by a 6th generation aircraft.
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post Feb 25 2023, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Feb 25 2023, 04:30 AM)
If the LCS is bought directly from France it would still be sitting in the shipyard, get canned after 2 ship or turn into a OPV.

Because the main issue here is never about technical inabilities to glue ship together but because RMN refusals to utilise french missiles.
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Well right now we have 0 ships so I fail to see any worse outcome

The main issue here is someone took the fucking money okay

QUOTE(icemanfx @ Feb 25 2023, 05:58 AM)
If USAF, jsdf, iaf, etc could replace f-15 with f-35, why not rsaf?
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They aren't
The replacement for F15 in all these forces is a future aircraft

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takbodoh722
post Feb 25 2023, 09:28 AM

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Malaysia already got 4 lms, on time and within budget. Someone smart enough to shift the production from a certain local shipyard to China, got the results.

Ps USAF are replacing some f-15c squadrons with F-35As. Lakenheath is an example.
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post Feb 25 2023, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Feb 25 2023, 09:28 AM)
Malaysia already got 4 lms, on time and within budget. Someone smart enough to shift the production from a certain local shipyard to China, got the results.

Ps USAF are replacing some f-15c squadrons with F-35As. Lakenheath is an example.
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USAF has no choice for now until the NGAD starts production.

The F15 is a heavy multi role combat and F35 is a medium class multi role combat jet which are in different categories.

The F35s are built to replace the F16s, F18s, etc.

The likely replacement for Singapores F15s will be the NGAD and barring a ban on sale of that 6th gen combat jet, it will be the UK-Japan-Italian Tempest. Before that, the F15SGs will undergo a mid-life stop-gap upgrade similar to what is happening to Singapores F16s C/D+s to F16Vs.

On paper, it is nuts to go up against the RSAF unless you have a death wish or incur significant losses in the case of a certain global power close-by. From a certain pov, RSAF purchases does add to regional deterrence.

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