Speed is not everything. ATR72 is also used by commercial which means economies of scale in maintenance. 10hour endurance may be more useful than the speed.

Malaysia biggest threat is not submarine. What TUDM needs more than speed is presence.

Maybe some people prefer made in Japan vs made in Thailand.

Navy got the best invisible warship.

This post has been edited by takbodoh722: Oct 14 2022, 09:30 AM

Prese lah. US$60+m for each LMS batch 1 is nothing compared to harga batch 2. Must take into account exchange rate & inflasi. Best of all get invisible ship, even better than stealth. Malaysia boleh.

Dun worry, SG will never detect RMN invisible ships.

Sinkie will die for Malaysia? Assume Sinkie bodoh? I'm not even sure Malaysians will die for Malaysia.

No more leverage over Sinkie. Cut water = already enuf desalination, newater. Cut chicken, not even a cluck of complain. Cut people = no impact over entire covid period, only Johor suffer from tourism drop.

Army used to be known to be very good to operate in jungle. But today, jungle getting less and less (forest area <44% of peninsular).

I think better not to irritate Sinkie anymore. One day they decide to sink Mahresia, what can Mahresia do? I think many will be happy to get paid in Sing dollar. Then no need to cross border every day.

More than just fund stolen. Decision making also questionable. US retired a whole fleet of oh-58 helos, many had low mileage. All equipped with mast mounted sights, hellfire atgm capable. 24 transferred to Tunisia under EDA for just us$97m. Someone decided better to buy new. End up not only delayed, just armed with guns and rockets and no sights. Not to mention pay how much?

Buy 48 new mbts which the maker now is flogging off to Ukraine so they can replace with leopard 2s. A certain ain neighbour decided to buy 2nd hand leopard 2s from Germany. Now neighbour end with not only more MBTs but more capable ones too.

Same thing with subs. Spend 1 entire generation training on cheap 2nd hand subs, several to get a better understanding and generate crews. Now buy new BMW subs tailored capabilities based on their experience.

Lots of lessons that can be learnt. Too proud to learn?

That's why jf-17 cannot be shortlisted. If shortlisted sure win based on cost.

Realised I saw wrong column. Tunisia got their 24 helo for US$29m, not $97m.

Indonesia got 28 F-16 airframes for under US$1m each. Upgraded 24 for US$31m each , presumably remaining 4 as spares.

This post has been edited by takbodoh722: Feb 20 2023, 01:58 PM

Most of them are ljdam or paveways. These are moving target capable travelling in excess of 100kmh. Each F-15SG should be able to carry 12 on its belly pylons. The innovation is the ability to strike multiple targets in a single pass.

The Apaches, UAVs etc are themselves laser designators. They lase the targets then the F-15s take them out. Particularly effective is the Apache's MMS. Don't need the nlos because himars itself is an nlos. The gmlrs+ munitions that the SG army bought a shitload, has a substantially higher range than the standard 70km.

Another innovation that the Sinkies did was to use ljdam for anti ship. That raised a few eyebrows when the muricans first saw how the sinkies were using the F-15s. Mavericks are already obsolete. Even hellfires are also being replaced.

It's a layered iads. Fighters up front, naval Sams, then aster, spyders and rumoured cram system + saturated hand helds as a last line. Spyder is interesting because the missiles are dual use or can be used by fighters.

Cobra gold will be significant this year. MAF sending contingent of 43 incl 37 officers. 6th time MAF participating.

Yet zero of Malaysia's AAMs are ground launched. None of Malaysia's ground launched SAMs are air launched. Bomb use not so simple.

In theory and in forums, everything always possible.

Malaysia already got 4 lms, on time and within budget. Someone smart enough to shift the production from a certain local shipyard to China, got the results.

Ps USAF are replacing some f-15c squadrons with F-35As. Lakenheath is an example.

F-15E airframe has 16000 hour life. Sinkie use ~300 hours a year. That means 50+ year lifespan. If rmaf then maybe 80-100 year lifespan. Delivered from 2010, no need to talk about replacement for long long time.

Ironic because although it's double fa-50 cost, F-15SG useful life also double. So sinkie may have gotten substantial capability for roughly same depreciated cost per year. Typical sinkie planning.

Indon procurement is also substantial. Everyone is arming in case a fight breaks out.

That's why ASEAN mechanism needs to be enhanced. The weapons should be pointed outside of ASEAN not at each other. More joint exercises helps.

A joint ASEAN blueprint on managing big powers in the region would also help.

FPDA is limited. UK is a failed state. Like in ww2, any deployment will be too little, too late. New zealand doesn't have an air force. Malaysia has limited resources.

Real FPDA backbone has always been Sinkie & Oz but focus on peninsular Malaysia has been only oz after sinkie was banned from rakyat airspace.

Ignore capacity of anyone else in the region, is a waste. Vietnam forms bulkwark against land incursion. Indon, Filipinos has stakes in SCS. Thailand secures Malaysia's northern borders. Even Brunei can contribute.

Some leaders have foresight to purchase equipment that ease inter-operability. Indon, Thai F-16s can inter-operate. So will Indon Rafales in the future.

Even Sukhois are being integrated eg Pitch Black but a lot more can be done.

Other regions are banding together as a consequence of the shift from globalisation to a multi-polar world. Leaders within ASEAN already doing that but external forces are trying to exploit internal fissures. ASEAN unlikely to ever reach a state where everyone sings kumbaya together but there are still substantial things that can be done to improve security in this region.

The first is to start with mindsets where people stop seeing each other within ASEAN as a threat rather than a plus to regional security.

What orbit? Since when does one see sinkie fighters at Butterworth? Only Oz.

Since when Malaysia welcome sinkie air force?

UK power in Ukraine? Lol. What power? All murican in Ukraine.

Show face once in a blue moon in this region, the locals go gaga.

Colonial mentality where the locals still hope masters can help defend them. Sorry folks , left long ago.

Hope neighbours will defend but go jelli green at neighbours?

Sinkie long ago realised no one may come to their aid. Bolehland still picky even with little to offer. Only forum complain about China on forum outcompete everyone else.

@klthinker, do explain to the forum the massive UK power shown in Ukraine..should be simple rather than make dumb snide remarks whilst avoiding the issue

"Dunno means dunno" - KL"Thinker"91

Massive UK power. lol.

tidak faham? bodoh bermaksud bodoh.