submarines would be useful in any military operation so it's a no-brainer decision really
also, 4 of anything is really a minimum buy when it comes to ships; if you're going to run a kedai mamak 24 jam, obviously you need more than 2 staff right? takkan each staff on 12 hours?

however, there's a valid question in asking if conventional military capability is what we need right now. IMVHO our priorities should be EEZ patrol and anti-piracy, and we need coast guard-type boats for that, not subs

Indonesia to buy Bayraktar TB-2 and TAI Anka-B UCAV from Turkey. The TB-2 are for the Indonesian Air Force and the Anka-B are for the Indonesian Navy.

RMN did try to buy a whole lot of patrol boat under the original 1525 plan but the public were largely unimpressed by it. It also doesn't help that the public see the Kris as expensive compared to the tun Fatimah.

Singapore has raised its defence budget for 2023 - its financial year cycle starts from 1st Apr to 31st Mar.

Singapore's 2022 Defence Budget: $SGD 16.36 billion or USD $12.2 billion

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...-defence-budget

Singapore's 2023 Defence Budget: $SGD $17.98 billion or USD $13.5 billion

https://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/budg...-the-year-ahead

The rise in Singapore's budget is not unexpected (although it seems slightly higher):

https://www.army-technology.com/features/au...-to-globaldata/

Singapore is buying dozens of F35A and/or Bs, completed upgrading works for 70 F16Vs (per Spiri report), constructing at least 6 MRCV heavy frigates or destroyers, upgrading another 6 Formidable Class frigates (mid-life upgrade), adding/added additional Leopard 2Sgs and Hunter AFVs, new MPAs, new JMMS LHDs, constructing light frigates/OPVs, new optionally manned mine counter measure USV carrier vessels, etc.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Feb 18 2023, 07:50 PM

EEZ patrol and anti piracy is exactly what MMEA should be doing

Our Subs is still needed for conventional war deterrence

It has nothings to do with anti piracy

This post has been edited by Raddus: Feb 18 2023, 06:54 PM

I don't think we can afford both

We can afford if we dont do stupid local assemblies like the LCS mess

Just buy from supplier and have them built and sent to malaysia

Buy complete built up, cronies couldn't make from supply to boustead. It is often more expensive to build by boustead.

russian guide to HOW TO DISABLE A LEOPARD 2 TANK.

Cronies are more happy with being a postman rather than a producers and the ship bought from overseas would be as expensive as one build locally.

If one look at rmn gowind LCS scandal would find cronies were milking boustead naval shipyard left, right and center. Have these vessels were built in overseas would have all delivered Vs none was delivered locally.

lol
I've seen better guides from Western defence bloggers
typical Rybar half past six info

even if we do that, I doubt we have enough money
country's GDP is low

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Feb 20 2023, 03:03 AM

NOPE.
Case in point is the little bird & Turkish MRAP.
It still cost double what others usually paid despite it being built overseas. The FA50 we going to buy cost $ 50 mil which is just slightly less than a f16.

Localized would in theory only increase the cost by 5 to 30%. But
The biggest cost for any weapons procurement here is R&D cost which is usually at 100% Markup from the standard off the shelf item & boy does MY really love to buy a one off customized pimp my ride version of everything.


Well if you don't pimp the ride how else is the foreign defense firm going to pay you rasuah isn't it?


As for the LCS, even if the French build it. It would still terbengkalai. The biggest issue is that the navy did NOT want a ship with SETIS,MICA & Exocet. They wanted a ship with TACTICOS, ESSM & NSM. And the reason the LCS terbengkalai is because Mat Sabu issues a stop order probably to investigate whether it's possible to build the LCS according to RMN fancy.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Feb 20 2023, 06:50 AM

Interesting chart:



https://www.statista.com/chart/12657/german...-for-the-world/

Previous post somewhere in this thread or forum i cant recall:

Sg has received at least 224 Leopard 2 tanks (thus far - latest tanks seen in publicly available photos show the 200-210 tank serial numbers). The Leopard 2 tanks replaces some 350 retired AMX 13 SM1 tanks:



This post has been edited by Mai189: Feb 20 2023, 08:38 PM

Info on the new radar on Sg's newly upgraded F16Vs (upgraded from F16 C/D Blk 50/52+):

https://www.northropgrumman.com/wp-content/...A-datasheet.pdf

https://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/...ar-apg-83-aesa/



Source: Sipri




RSAF F16Vs, however, are expected to be drawn down in 2030 into storage reserve i.e. replaced by F35s.

Now, it would be interesting to see if RSAF opts to fly them beyond 2030 together with the F35s and upgraded F15SGs (expected mid-life upgrade to EX standard by end 2020s) if the security situation worsens in Asia.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Feb 20 2023, 01:01 PM

Western armies train with combined arms doctrine to overcome this weakness. Deployed tanks are always supported by infantry which help screen those threats. Would be interesting to see how these tanks fare in Ukraine.

Our weakness is the relatively under performing economy and civilian government tendency to "steal" money from the budget to fund more populist priorities. Historically I think it has always been that way.
If we had a GDP 3x what it is today, i think we can easily buy any toys our soldiers need.

If mindef funds wasn't stolen, we would have a more formidable assets.

so we have to fix governance and the economy to have a really strong defence.

More than just fund stolen. Decision making also questionable. US retired a whole fleet of oh-58 helos, many had low mileage. All equipped with mast mounted sights, hellfire atgm capable. 24 transferred to Tunisia under EDA for just us$97m. Someone decided better to buy new. End up not only delayed, just armed with guns and rockets and no sights. Not to mention pay how much?

Buy 48 new mbts which the maker now is flogging off to Ukraine so they can replace with leopard 2s. A certain ain neighbour decided to buy 2nd hand leopard 2s from Germany. Now neighbour end with not only more MBTs but more capable ones too.

Same thing with subs. Spend 1 entire generation training on cheap 2nd hand subs, several to get a better understanding and generate crews. Now buy new BMW subs tailored capabilities based on their experience.

Lots of lessons that can be learnt. Too proud to learn?