Welcome Guest ( Log In | Register )

Bump Topic Topic Closed RSS Feed

Outline · [ Standard ] · Linear+

 Military Thread V29

views
     
Mai189
post Dec 22 2024, 12:59 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Aug 2018
^ An expected development against new assymetric threats air e.g. cheap unsophisticated UAS and USVs as Sg would want 2 reserve their Vl mica ngs and Aster missiles against more hi tech threats.

It also means a new layer to ship surface and air defence/offense for RSN warships.

Anti air defence/offence for 6 MRCV destroyers and 6 mid life upgraded Formidable class frigates: Aster 30 Blk 1 NT ->150km, VL Mica Ng - 40km and now Mistral 3 - 8 km range ring missiles

All other RSN ships for anti-air defence/offense - Vl Mica Ng - 40km and Mistral 3 - 8km range ring missiles.

Secondary anti Surface capability of Mistral 3 missile - 8km against surface targets.

^ + electronic warfare (EW) of course.

user posted image

This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 22 2024, 01:25 PM
Mai189
post Dec 22 2024, 05:43 PM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Aug 2018
QUOTE(Mai189 @ Dec 22 2024, 11:52 AM)
It should be this as Sgs RSN uses the Safran NGDS:

user posted image
user posted image

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/safran-unveils-n...ill-combination
This will allow RSN to install Mistral 3 missiles on the NGDS decoy rocket launchers as a hard kill solution against inexpensive assymetric threats.

Alternatively the Mistral 3 missiles can be attached to the 25/30mm CIWS systems on RSN ships.
*
QUOTE
The new modification consists in fitting four Mistral 3 short-range surface to air missiles on each side of the NGDS launcher, meaning a single NGDS can deploy a up to 8 ready-to-fire missiles. So-called “first rank” vessels of the French Navy are typically fitted with two NGDS launchers: With this upgrade, Safran (and MBDA) could provide the Marine Nationale (and existing users of the NGDS such as the Republic of Singapore Navy) with a rather simple solution to adopt RAM-like CIWS or point-defense missile systems (PDMS) consisting in a total of 16 missiles. The Mistral 3 missile has an operational range of up to 8 Km (but has demonstrated an interception of a UAV at a range of 12 Km during a test campaign in Spain). It is able to intercept sea-skimming anti-ship missiles as well as surface targets such as FIAC and USV.


https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/eurona...stral-missiles/

This new system is comparable to the USN RAM except that Safran has integrated the Mistral 3 missiles with the NGDS rocket propelled decoy launcher (usually 2 to 4 NGDS launchers per ship so 16 (8 Mistral 3 missiles per launcher) to 32 ready to fire Mistral 3 missiles excluding ready to fire rocket propelled decoys) which saves deck space:

user posted image

Formidable frigate front NGDS launchers (left and right):

user posted image

Sgs DSTA will redesign the stealthy cupola if required to cover the added Mistal 3 missiles.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 22 2024, 07:13 PM
Justin.Loong
post Dec 23 2024, 10:15 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,317 posts

Joined: Feb 2014


QUOTE
Daripada 3 kapal yang ditempah, hanya 1 yang berjaya dihantar. Di mana lagi baki 2 kapal yang ditempah? Jika projek-projek itu ditangguhkan, kenapa pihak atasan masih membiayai projek yang tiada kesudahan? Bukankah wang itu boleh digunakan untuk membantu mangsa-mangsa banjir? Mengapa orang atasan mengabaikan realiti dan berpura-pura semuanya baik-baik saja? Tidakkah mereka memperuntukkan sumber yang diperlukan untuk mengelakkan bencana seterusnya?

#banjir
#projekkapal
#LCS
#bazirduitrakyat
#MDKMalaysia

Justin.Loong
post Dec 23 2024, 10:16 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,317 posts

Joined: Feb 2014



Justin.Loong
post Dec 23 2024, 10:20 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,317 posts

Joined: Feb 2014







Justin.Loong
post Dec 23 2024, 10:21 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,317 posts

Joined: Feb 2014



Justin.Loong
post Dec 23 2024, 10:22 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,317 posts

Joined: Feb 2014



Justin.Loong
post Dec 23 2024, 10:25 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,317 posts

Joined: Feb 2014



Justin.Loong
post Dec 23 2024, 10:41 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,317 posts

Joined: Feb 2014



Mai189
post Dec 23 2024, 11:22 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Aug 2018
Germany authorizes funding of submarine launched multi purpose anti air IDAS missile for German made submarines.

This is a significant development as it will allow submarines like the U212, U218Sg (or Type 218Sg), U214, etc. to shoot down anti submarine helicopters or MPAs ( esp. when they swoop down to use MAD and/or launch sonar bouys).

In fact, it imay be the submarine that hunts these aircraft esp. if it detects the aircrafts first.

This development was protracted and it is only now that the German government gave approval.

user posted image

user posted image

QUOTE
IDAS system is the world's first missile which gives submarines the capability to engage air threats whilst submerged, and the first tube-launched missile that does not emerge in a capsule, but is fired directly from the torpedo tubes


https://www.zona-militar.com/en/2024/12/19/...2cd-submarines/



IDAS has range in excess of 15km (up to 40km) and has a secondary anti surface capability. It can sink small vessels (corvette class) , strike land vehicles and buildings. It can also seriously damage larger ship systems i.e. mission kill. 4 missiles can be fitted into a 533mm torpedo tube from a single tube magazine.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 24 2024, 09:28 AM
Mai189
post Dec 24 2024, 09:11 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Aug 2018


Haha. Menhan Sg hinting at incoming RSN JMMS vessels which will replace some of the Endurance class LPDs (Sg refers to them as LSTs in spite of its size and rearwell deck which embarks landing crafts).

The JMMS (2 ships) will either be a light carrier/LHA or LHD.

user posted image

As shared, Sgs RSN will likely complement the JMMS vessels with 2 to 3 multi role support/logistics vessels capable of amphibious operations - something like BMTs Ellida class:

user posted image
user posted image
user posted image

Not all scenarios mandates the presence of a JMMS vessel.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 24 2024, 09:37 AM
Mai189
post Dec 24 2024, 09:33 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Aug 2018
user posted image

user posted image

Credit: Senang diri fb

Beautiful pics of 2 RSN Endurance class LPDs from the air when they were in Darwin Australia for Exercise Trident 2024.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Dec 24 2024, 09:55 AM
Justin.Loong
post Dec 24 2024, 10:12 AM

Look at all my stars!!
*******
Senior Member
8,317 posts

Joined: Feb 2014



Mai189
post Dec 24 2024, 11:31 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
0 posts

Joined: Aug 2018
QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Dec 24 2024, 10:12 AM)
An obvious factual inaccuracy. Sg does not lease any of its combat helicopters.


azriel
post Dec 25 2024, 08:26 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jan 2012
@MKLMS

I think its time we move to new thread Military Thread V30.

This post has been edited by azriel: Dec 25 2024, 08:27 AM
TSMKLMS
post Dec 25 2024, 11:01 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
From: Pulau Pinang, Malaysia


QUOTE(azriel @ Dec 25 2024, 08:26 AM)
@MKLMS

I think its time we move to new thread Military Thread V30.
*
Yes, will open a new thread for this. Please wait.

This post has been edited by MKLMS: Dec 25 2024, 11:02 AM
TSMKLMS
post Dec 25 2024, 11:22 AM

New Member
*
Newbie
4 posts

Joined: Jun 2014
From: Pulau Pinang, Malaysia


/closed/
New thread ---> Military Thread V30

Topic ClosedOptions
 

Change to:
| Lo-Fi Version
0.0249sec    0.61    6 queries    GZIP Disabled
Time is now: 30th November 2025 - 08:34 PM