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rafale_05
post Oct 10 2022, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Oct 10 2022, 11:50 AM)

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Reliable and affordable plane in use by the Turkish navy, Italian coast guard and Nigerian navy. I did not realise it is rather small. This is the non ASW version. There ought to be 2 to 4 usable hardpoints which can carry  torps/missiles compared to 11 for the P8 Poseidon MPA.

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But when it comes to MPAs, it is less the plane but more of the systems carried. Also, weapons need not be carried by the same platform but with other shooters - a direction Msia should head into. The pinoys are buying the same platform.

I suspect that Msia middle men sharks will eat into the systems to be carried and weigh down on the project and implementation even if it is only for 2 planes.
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it's not direct via leonardo malaysia?
Mai189
post Oct 10 2022, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(rafale_05 @ Oct 10 2022, 12:59 PM)
it's not direct via leonardo malaysia?
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I guess we will have to wait and see on the mission equipment/s - hope not basic and FFBNW for some areas. The LOA also has not gone out yet.
rafale_05
post Oct 10 2022, 01:10 PM

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it seems that KM Tun Fatimah has been successful launch this morning



OPV Tun Fatimah Launched
October 10, 2022 Marhalim Abas Malaysian Defence 0


OPV TuN Fatimah after her launch early on October 10, 2020.
SHAH ALAM: OPV Tun Fatimah was launched this morning, some five years after its keel was laid. The launch was conducted about 6am at the THHE Fabricators yard, Pulau Indah, Pelabuhan Klang where the three OPVs contracted to the THHE Destini JV are being built.

THHE is now the sole builder of the OPVs after Destini decided to opt out from the joint venture. The contract for the three OPVs based on the Damen 1800 OPV design was awarded to the THHE JV in 2017.

All three OPVs were supposed to be delivered already to the MMEA but the shipbuilder had obtained an extension of time to defer the delivery of the first ship to August 2022.

MMEA first Damen 1800 OPV 8305 at her stand at THHE -Destini JV yard at Pulau Indah. Picture taken in November 2020. Destini FB

The launch of Tun Fatimah was low key like the launch of KM Bagan Datuk, the first of six patrol boats built by Destini Shipbuilding and Engineering Sdn Bhd. The timing of Tun Fatimah launch at 6am may have something to do with it, I guess.

Following the launch, Tun Fatimah has been tied up to the jetty next to the yard. She will now undergo harbour and sea trials which will culminate with its commissioning by May, next year, just in time for LIMA 23, just like Bagan Datuk.


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post Oct 10 2022, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(rafale_05 @ Oct 10 2022, 12:59 PM)
it's not direct via leonardo malaysia?
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Gading is the Malaysian agent and also the service adn technical partner for Leo
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post Oct 10 2022, 01:31 PM

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im confused. some said atr42 mpa.

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Mai189
post Oct 10 2022, 05:58 PM

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Next generation Abrams tank prototype i.e. Abrams X

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/abrams-x...ing-200764.html

Of course the Germans have the Panther KF51 next gen tank which was introduced recently too:



Presumably, the Abrams X may replace the current Abrams and Panther replaces the Leopard 2 tanks later this century.





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post Oct 11 2022, 01:10 PM

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DEFTECH UST (Deftech Unmanned Systems Sdn Bhd (2022)


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post Oct 11 2022, 01:26 PM

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DRB-Hicom DEFTECH



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KLthinker91
post Oct 11 2022, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(HangPC2 @ Oct 11 2022, 01:26 PM)

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yang ni apa kaitan dengan Deftech? they are middleman?
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QUOTE(pcboss00 @ Oct 10 2022, 01:31 PM)
im confused. some said atr42 mpa.
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Yep, mula2 dengar 3 tapi when US grant us 3 MPS the number reduce to 2

tengok well ATR pun ialah preferred platfrom for Global-eye

QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Oct 11 2022, 01:30 PM)
yang ni apa kaitan dengan Deftech? they are middleman?
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Anka?
Deftech is TAI agent and also appointed technical partner they have been promoting anka since 2015
basically most Turks defense tech have partnership with DRB

so no Sea-guardian for US, damn it what could have been
oh well at least dapat la geng2 ni jalan ngan duduk kursus kat New Orleans kejap
ayanami_tard
post Oct 11 2022, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 11 2022, 05:24 PM)
tengok well ATR pun ialah preferred platfrom for Global-eye
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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Oct 11 2022, 05:54 PM)
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ehh sorry
Erieye

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HangPC2
post Oct 11 2022, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(rafale_05 @ Oct 10 2022, 12:59 PM)
it's not direct via leonardo malaysia?
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GADING GROUP (ROYAL PAHANG)
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post Oct 13 2022, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Oct 11 2022, 06:30 PM)
ehh sorry
Erieye

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memang betul2 salah mata

Please look at it clearly

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It is a Saab 2000 with ERIEYE radar, not ATR-72. Saab 2000 has low wings, while ATR-72 has high wings. Yes Saab also build civilian aircrafts.

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Oct 13 2022, 04:25 PM)
memang betul2 salah mata

Please look at it clearly

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It is a Saab 2000 with ERIEYE radar, not ATR-72. Saab 2000 has low wings, while ATR-72 has high wings. Yes Saab also build civilian aircrafts.

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that is not least of my concern
with TUDM operating ATR the chances of them using a same platform for different types of equipment is high. So in this case the ATR and Erieye have a larger chances to be inducted into service with TUDM

see the bigger picture?
I'm sure the people in Gading does


btw tolak Gading/Leo aside, to all /k military tered poster

why do you think ATR MPA was chosen from all other contender that present themselves during LIMA2019?

anyone wanted to answer?
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post Oct 14 2022, 08:43 AM

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Why ATR was choosen?

What we know that TUDM specifically stated the speed that they wanted in the tender documents, that speed cannot be attained by the ATR-72. That speed requirement is something the CN-235 cannot achieve also. We also know that one of the interested contenders actually changed their initial proposal of using the ATR-72, to another faster aircraft due to the requirements listed out in the MPA Tender.

So
- TUDM wanted an aircraft faster than the CN-235. TUDM ideally wanted a jet platform, but its budget does not stretch to a jet aircraft.
- Many contenders wanted to use ATR-72, due to its size, price, and available support in our region. But ATR-72 operational speed is just comparable to the CN-235, and not what TUDM wanted as written in the tender documents.
- Some contenders upon learning of the speed requirement, even changed their initial offer of ATR-72 to another faster aircraft.
- In the end MENHAN announced that the winner is the ATR-72
- The ATR-72 MPA will perform missions with the same capability of the CN-235 MSA (similar speed, similar range), but with added cost and complexity of having to fly and maintain 2 totally different aircraft and mission systems.

The reason? Pick from below

- cronyism
- corruption
- kickbacks
- add your own
takbodoh722
post Oct 14 2022, 08:55 AM

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Speed is not everything. ATR72 is also used by commercial which means economies of scale in maintenance. 10hour endurance may be more useful than the speed.

Malaysia biggest threat is not submarine. What TUDM needs more than speed is presence.
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post Oct 14 2022, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Oct 14 2022, 08:55 AM)
Speed is not everything. ATR72 is also used by commercial which means economies of scale in maintenance. 10hour endurance may be more useful than the speed.

Malaysia biggest threat is not submarine. What TUDM needs more than speed is presence.
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If you want endurance

ATR = 10 hour + 45 min reserve

CN-235 = 11 hour 20 min + 45 min reserve

CN-235 is much better endurance-wise

CN-235 MPA specifications

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post Oct 14 2022, 09:24 AM

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i see new procurements for army and airforce, none for navy?
takbodoh722
post Oct 14 2022, 09:29 AM

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Maybe some people prefer made in Japan vs made in Thailand.

Navy got the best invisible warship.

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