That's what the American think during the F4 days
Then Vietnam war happened.

Other countries video of Armed forces on social media: lots of flags, saluting, marching, patriotic music, sense of pride and patriotism.

China video of Armed forces on social media:

technology has moved on from 55 years ago

and yet ukraine-russia fighting almost like ww1 trench warfare.

That's what the American thinks too back then with the F4
Then they think otherwise with the F22
Then they follow the F4 route when designing the F35
Then they think otherwise back with the GCAP & USN NGAD

Air dominance not dogfighting. These are two different things. Air dominance is much more than just dogfighting.

Ngad and gcap are built for air dominance as part of an integrated system of sensors and shooters. So these platforms carry a lot of sensors apart from bona fide weapons.

It is an integrated web of situational awareness with AI now being integrated at various levels. The shooter does not have to be a missile from a specific combat aircraft. It can be from a companion buddy drone or a naval ship with long range anti missile like aster 30 (with speed in excess of mach 4.5-5) or the future Aquila which is hypersonic. How youd outrun that?

In the region, RAAF and RSAF are constructing these systems.

RSS Impeccable, Type 218SG arrives in Sg (on Roll dock).

RSS Invincible will stay on in Germany for training of the crews of the remaining 3 Type 218Sg submarines and then be brought back to SG.

The Challenger class is expected to be retired. The Archer class will continue to be operated with the Invincible class for a bit more time until they are retired and likely replaced with 2 more Type 218SG.

So peak Sg submarine strength at anytime should be a full squadron of 6 Aip equipped SSKs.





^ See last graphic and the first two photos.

Also; Interestingly RSN tries hard to not let the upper part of the submarine be seen and stacked containers around the submarine.

In fact, eagle eye observers noticed the small convoy being escorted by a pair of F16Vs.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Jul 9 2023, 10:01 PM

not really
none of those aircraft are designed for or against "dogfighting"

Videos of recently the concluded Exercise Pacific Griffin 2023.

Mais notes: Successful time on target harpoon strikes and vl Mica strike against a sea skimmer missile target.

Seems to be a contested strait scenario involving a joint RSN-USN task force.

In the future, RSN will be armed with Vl mica Ng, Aster 30 blk 1nt and the 400km range Blue Spear anti ship/surface to surface missile for surface and anti air warfare.

This post has been edited by Mai189: Jul 9 2023, 02:48 PM

The Type 218Sg class is the largest conventional submarine yet built by TKMS.

The largest conventional submarine built by TKMS prior to the Type 218SG is the Israeli Navy's Dolphin 2 class:



https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/0...could-have-vls/

This post has been edited by Mai189: Jul 9 2023, 10:41 PM

arent picture of propeller is a major no-no?

The F22 & GCAP does thought.

lol no absolutely not
air superiority =/= "dogfighting"
nobody is going for short-range turning fights here, it's all optimised for radar-enabled BVR

they still train for dogfight jic. thats why the brits still put asraam on their F-35s.

legacies will want to close in when they can. a) it will need to be closer to detect 5g, b) missiles also need to be closer to lock.

The source of the graphic is Sg mindef.

The top two photos are from the 212a submarine.

Good article on the Sigmas:

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/indirect-fires-r...atest-solutions

No-one says anything about it being built solely to do dogfight
But unlike Gripen & F35, the F22 & GCAP are designed to be able to win dogfight.

The dogfighting in Vietnam happened mostly because the AF operational required that pilots to do visuals confirmations before shooting rather than just simply due to technological limitations.

The Japs wanted dogfighting ability on the GCAP likely because of it too. You don't want to just go blast things from further away without visual confirmation particularly in a grey area conflicts.

Then there's the problem that the technological gap between the wider west & PRC aren't as wide as with the Soviet back then where one can get away with a sitting duck jet like grippen.

The F35 meanwhile had always been designed as the low in a high low mix with F22 & in the future NGAD & GCAP.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Jul 10 2023, 07:49 PM

used to be but after all the budget issue, murica forced to turn F-35 into a ferrari with all the bells and whistles. murica may get many things wrong but one thing they understand is how to design and operate fighters qnd train fighter pilots.

Not really

while the F22 can "dogfight" because of its design, it's something of a lucky happenstance because it's not designed to dogfight per se and should never be in a position when it needs to dogfight. All the advantages of stealth are negated in such a scenario. Why should the F22 ever put itself in such a situation?

You're saying that a tank is designed to physically crush infantry because it is thickly armoured and its tracks can easily roll over people. While it's true that a tank can and did in WW2, the modern tank won't want to ever be in such a situation because its advantages are nullified ie what if the infantry have shoulder-fired antitank missiles. The fact that it can is happenstance, realistically it wouldn't want to be placed in such a situation and would actively try to avoid being in such a situation.

Same thing.

Gripen was designed as a multirole long range missile truck relying on the Meteor for its edge
F35 is a multirole stealth jet that does everything its predecessors do, but with stealth and networking