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Mai189
post Jul 10 2023, 08:29 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jul 10 2023, 07:32 PM)
No-one says anything about it being built solely to do dogfight
But unlike Gripen & F35, the F22 & GCAP are designed to be able to win dogfight.
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They do not need to dog fight to win. I dunno about the gripen but an F35 pilot can see through the plane to launch missiles. No much need for a fancy circus dance.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/e...ing%20a%20plane.

Tech has advanced. It is like this video. Forget the fancy moves. The sensors (from a system and not just the plane) and weapon will do the rest.



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post Jul 11 2023, 01:15 PM

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Although much of the Indian concerns come under classified domains, the Modi government is aware of the threat posed by arch-rivals and is working with friendly countries like the US and France to build potent firewalls to ward off attacks. The seriousness of the threat can be gauged from the fact that it was Singapore which apparently tipped India on Chinese cyber-attacks on Indian military installations during the Pakistani retaliation to Indian Air Force’s attack on terror camps in Balakot on February 26, 2019.



https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/p...8102268940.html
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post Jul 11 2023, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jul 10 2023, 08:29 PM)
They do not need to dog fight to win. I dunno about the gripen but an F35 pilot can see through the plane to launch missiles. No much need for a fancy circus dance.

https://www.airandspaceforces.com/article/e...ing%20a%20plane.

Tech has advanced. It is like this video. Forget the fancy moves. The sensors (from a system and not just the plane) and weapon will do the rest.


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No one says anything about needing to dogfight to win.
I'm saying F22, GCAP are designed to win dogfight if it ever happened and pilots are still trained to dogfight.

Saying dogfighting is obsolete despite jet are still designed to do so while pilot are trained to do so is what you get when you listen to YouTube expert I say


As for the F35. Its always been designed as the low in the high low mix's.

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post Jul 11 2023, 08:27 PM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Jul 10 2023, 08:06 PM)
Not really

while the F22 can "dogfight" because of its design, it's something of a lucky happenstance because it's not designed to dogfight per se and should never be in a position when it needs to dogfight. All the advantages of stealth are negated in such a scenario. Why should the F22 ever put itself in such a situation?

You're saying that a tank is designed to physically crush infantry because it is thickly armoured and its tracks can easily roll over people. While it's true that a tank can and did in WW2, the modern tank won't want to ever be in such a situation because its advantages are nullified ie what if the infantry have shoulder-fired antitank missiles. The fact that it can is happenstance, realistically it wouldn't want to be placed in such a situation and would actively try to avoid being in such a situation.

Same thing.

Gripen was designed as a multirole long range missile truck relying on the Meteor for its edge
F35 is a multirole stealth jet that does everything its predecessors do, but with stealth and networking
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Nope. Stealth design is the enemies of aerodynamic and thus to emphasize stealth the jet won't be agile. The B2 & it successor is designed purely to emphasise Stealth at the expense of agility. The F22 however is designed to be agile. So it's not just a happy coincidence as you want to sell it.


While The F22 shouldn't be force into a situation where it must dogfight to survive. The fact is even if the enemies trapped the F22 & force it to dogfight. It would still win that dogfight. That's what total dominance is. No matter what you try or throw at it the F22 would still get on top.


The F35 & grippen are the honda city of jet. Its build to give the best bang for the buck. And as expected of a honda city some features aren't included to get to the price point decided earlier. The F22 like GCAP are the McLaren. Its doesn't have to be 'economical' all it need to do is dominate.


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post Jul 11 2023, 08:31 PM

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F-35 vs Gripen more like BMW vs Perodua. More than double the horsepower, everything inside substantially more advanced. Not many people realise but the computing power and software capabilities are substantially more advanced than even the F-22 for a simple reason, date of manufacture. This especially with the latest TR upgrade. The closest in that respect ironically is the F-15EX.
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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jul 11 2023, 08:27 PM)
Nope. Stealth design is the enemies of aerodynamic and thus to emphasize stealth the jet won't be agile. The B2 & it successor is designed purely to emphasise Stealth at the expense of agility. The F22 however is designed to be agile. So it's not just a happy coincidence as you want to sell it.
While The F22 shouldn't be force into a situation where it must dogfight to survive. The fact is even if the enemies trapped the F22 & force it to dogfight. It would still win that dogfight. That's what total dominance is. No matter what you try or throw at it the F22 would still get on top.
The F35 & grippen are the honda city of jet. Its build to give the best bang for the buck. And as expected of a honda city some features aren't included to get to the price point decided earlier. The F22 like GCAP are the McLaren. Its doesn't have to be 'economical' all it need to do is dominate.
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You can be both stealthy and manouvreable; that is the F-22

Manouevrability is important in BVR combat as well. But nobody is going to take an F-22 dogfighting. If an F-22 is dogfighting, it has failed; it's got into a situation where its expensive advantages are negated

The point which you fail to grasp is that just because it CAN do something, doesn't mean that it WANTS to do that thing, or is designed TO do that thing
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post Jul 11 2023, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Jul 11 2023, 08:13 PM)
No one says anything about needing to dogfight to win.
I'm saying F22, GCAP are designed to win dogfight if it ever happened and pilots are still trained to dogfight.

Saying dogfighting is  obsolete despite jet are still designed to do so while pilot are trained to do so is what you get when you listen to YouTube expert I say
As for the F35. Its always been designed as the low in the high low mix's.
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Ultimately, the F35 will see first and shoot first and win it; near and far. And that is what matters.

If that amounts to your idea of a "dogfight^".

And it will be the primary interceptor and fighter of many countries.










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QUOTE(takbodoh722 @ Jul 11 2023, 08:31 PM)
F-35 vs Gripen more like BMW vs Perodua. More than double the horsepower, everything inside substantially more advanced. Not many people realise but the computing power and software capabilities are substantially more advanced than even the F-22 for a simple reason, date of manufacture. This especially with the latest TR upgrade. The closest in that respect ironically is the F-15EX.
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Not too hard to see where the Sings will go with their already 4.5 gen F15Sgs during the latters MLU in future.

It won't be a f35 but it'll still be an improvement.

2 RAAF 5th Gen F35s took out 6 4.5 Gen F15Sg.


https://theaviationgeekclub.com/two-raaf-f-...Fwww.google.com



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Rare insight or admission of the gap between US made 5th gen aircraft versus a supposedly stealthy 4.5+ gen or even 5th Gen Chinese jet.

And this is a close encounter..WVR aka in your face.

Chinese J20 - China's answer to the F22:


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Singapore Readying to Launch new satellite

Singapore Readying to Launch Israeli-Manufactured satellite (typo in article - should be satellite instead of UAV)

The DS-SAR was acquired in 2018, meaning that its development process lasted about five years

Ami Rojkes Dombe | 9/07/2023 Contact author


Singapore acquired the radar in 2018, meaning that it took five years to develop until launch, as reported by space.org.sg. This is the average development timeline for aerial industry satellites.

The website mentions that when the satellite's acquisition was announced in 2018, Singapore’s Minister of Trade and Industry, S. Iswaran, said that it will serve both governmental and commercial purposes and support the imaging requirements of Singapore – including maritime security and oil leak detection.

The SAR payload is developed by Elta, an aerospace industry subsidiary. It employs the same technology used in the Israeli Ministry of Defense’s SAR satellites.

https://www.israeldefense.co.il/en/node/58815

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7201

https://www.space.org.sg/ds-sar-satellite-a...st-electronics/
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This is the 3rd surveillance-related satellite launched by Sg in less than a year with the earlier one being NeuSAR and DS-EO:

https://www.dso.org.sg/media-centre/media-release/1606

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/ds-eo.htm

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Recent satellite launches:

https://tnp.straitstimes.com/news/singapore...ster-monitoring

+ the DS-SAR above so 4 satellite in total recently with 3 in conjunction with SG Government agencies i.e. Defence Science and Technology Agency and Defence Science Organisation.

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Mach Loop 4K- various aircrafts - beautiful:


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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Jul 13 2023, 12:55 PM)

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Rare insight or admission of the gap between US made 5th gen aircraft versus a supposedly stealthy 4.5+ gen or even 5th Gen Chinese jet.

And this is a close encounter..WVR aka in your face.

Chinese J20 - China's answer to the F22:
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Even before this incident where F35s trounced or beat the latest Chinese stealth fighter i.e. J20 in a real-life encounter, a Chinese study had concluded that Chinese advanced 4.5th to 5th Gen fighters were no match for the F35.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/art...ampaign=3217545

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Source:

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...e-spear-missile

Note >290km range is without booster rocket part and it is for low or terrain hugging or sea skimming profile mode. Blue Spear=Sea Serpent=Gabriel 5 has range of between 200km to 400km depending on flight profile.

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Due to confidentiality concerns, McKenzie did not reveal information about the missile’s terminal phase, but he did reveal the general performance specifications of the Sea Serpent, saying, “The Sea Serpent is designed to give a good stand off range. In its flight profile, it can achieve greater than 290 km in a low profile mode. It has an extensive capability against peer plus threats. But I can’t give details about its terminal phase on this unclassified forum. I can say that it is hugely exciting and the Royal Navy will be pleasantly surprised with the capabilities that we are offering.”


Source - Israel Defence Industries or IAI:

https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/dsei-2...i-ship-missile/

The missile is jointly made by Israel and Singapore for long range maritime and deep inland attacks. So far, the ship and land launched versions have been revealed. Singapore will replace its Harpoon missile with the Blue Spear missile.

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Supersonic slamming missile (from ballistic missile design) with range of about 300km for stand off precision strikes against hardened or soft targets on land and sea with warhead of 150kg (larger than NSM).

Built for Israels F15s, F16s and F35s and/or a few other countries which we do know - not open source except for perhaps India.

Now the UK is also keen.



Note: 1) Attack angel of up to 90 degrees for pin point precision strikes against hardened targets on land e.g. bunkers or ships at sea.
2) Capable of swarming time on target attacks from various angles


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Seriously? No one vetted the English.

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Redback wins!

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