I learnt Industrial Arts iN BM

i tell you, its really wierd with all those direct translation terminology.

and their text books suck.

imagine in wood work or motor work, the terminology all direct translate.

and not even use in real life.

mind as well in english

come across this one interesting thread in reddit

What is cocurriculums for actually?

https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/...s_for_actually/

lelarentaka
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Pahang

It's a cargo cult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

The early Malaysian statesmen, who were all educated in London, saw that British lads were active in social organized activities outside of school hours. They thought that this has some sort of correlation with the higher level of wealth and prosperity of the Brits, but utterly failed to understand the fundamental significance of those after-school activities.

Their first mistake was getting the causality backwards. They thought that participation in after-school organization lead to better mental and social development in children. Actually the lads' willingness to participate in social activity is a reflection of a healthy social environment that encouraged children to pursue their interests. Trying to achieve a result from the wrong direction lead to a disastrous failure.

Their second mistake was applying the typical Malay nobility top-down style of governance. They failed to realize that British lads joined various groups because those groups were fun. They weren't forced or compelled to join by anyone. In Malaysia, they designed a system where students are effectively compelled to join a limited set of ministry-approved organization. Of course you can't spend your after-school hours discussing anything that could threaten the power structure of the country, such as liberalism, socialism, secularism, atheism and feminism.

Spore also failed in terms of co curriculum activities.

They force students to take up CCA, and made pass or fail grading.

I noticed that they have some interesting CCA subjects

Rock band/song composing

https://thesmartlocal.com/read/unique-ccas/

International school same cost with private school + tuition ?

I see E-Sports.

this is interesting.

Let me lay out some realities for you:

If you think that just learning Chinese up to Standard 6 at SRJK© is going to equip you with sufficient proficiency in the language to be able to "have an advantage with foreign companies that invest in PRC", you are deluding yourself. While I do not deny that learning Chinese up to Standard 6 at SRJK© brings your ability in Chinese to a relatively good level, it is not enough for professional purposes. You will not even have sufficient vocabulary to make a boardroom presentation or engage clients, and you will find yourself code-switching with English and fumbling through Google Translate for every second or third word that you encounter. Would you say that "learning English until Standard 6 is sufficient to engage the English-speaking market and workforce"? If the answer is obviously "no", then why the double standards? I know people who have this same mindset - after their kids completed 6 years of SRJK©, off they went to international school. Guess what: Fast-forward 1-2 years later, and they could barely string a sentence together in Chinese. Even worse if the family does not speak Chinese at home.

If you want to learn Chinese to a usable level and retain it for life, then there are no two ways about it than to walk through the established systems: One is to continue learning it at government secondary school, preferably at an SMJK© where SPM Chinese is compulsory, or at an SMK that offers the subject (and even then the absolute minimum is to learn it to Form 3 before you decide you want to drop the subject), Otherwise, and even better, go to a Chinese Independent High School. Don't even start with me on international schools offering "Chinese elective classes in Year X or Year Y" - you will learn the same stuff that you learned in SRJK©, and you will retain nothing.

This post has been edited by MiniCooperS1275: Mar 7 2023, 09:59 PM

I like to call bullsh*t on that. My Mandarin teacher who’s Hindu Indian learnt mandarin until std 6, taught malays and indians incl bananas how to understand and speak Mandarin. He taught all the Malay information/front desk staff conversational Mandarin, enough to be able to give PRC tourists directions. Its not how much time you need to learn but understand the languages. Chinese schools are all hafal like sekolah agama, doesn’t mean they are gonna be experts in the languages unless they used it everyday at home and with their friends same like I learnt Hokkien and cantonese, in school and in univ, It’s also your aptitude and willingness to learn, if bodo and malas, no hope. I also studied mandarin, 1 period a day for 5 days, 6 years, didn’t remember much cos my mandarin speaking classmates were children of hawkers and B40, preferring to speak English as they considered mandarin as a coolie language, circa 80s while none of them are B40 now.

Nowadays PRC also hiring English speaking overseas chinese as their locals have not mastered this foreign language. Our own locals may have better english then them but still make grammatical mistakes and still confuse with gender, his-her, typical of chinese/malay which does not have gender in their verbs because 你 or “dia” is used for both genders.

Could afford think of children future. Couldn't afford have 101 excuses not to send children to international school.

Private or international school bad ROI

Best combo is srjkc and smk(chinese), or

srjkc then famous english school (eg St joseph, St xavier)

For pre-U, go for STPM or Matriculasi.

Invest those money in good divident stocks for university

The best combo is sjkc and SMK©. Good balance of bahasa, english and chinese till SPM. And most students will speak in English and Mandarin in school too. Having good SPM BM will also increase the chance of entering matriculasi and stpm which will enable one to enter critical courses such as medicine and dentistry in Public unis, saving even more money.

Comparing to Chinese independent schools, students usually will be good in Mandarin, but weak in English and BM. Even with SPM BM, entering public uni will be very difficult.

End of the day i bet 95% of them will be someone else's slave

I am a product of SJKC Lick Hung + SMJK Katholik PJ. Can tell you all the students there, regardless of race, can speak mandarin and english well. Our sciences all are in english and compulsory SPM BC.

We have chinese lesson everyday from Mon to Fri. I have to take lrt for 1hr home since form 1 and it was tough, some days after school heavy rain no choice, by the time I walk until lrt station already wet. But I'm grateful that my parents forced me to study mandarin until SPM.

How about BM. Then Pak rebai will use you as example of forgoing BM for other languages

U know what CCA we got in SMK ? Is called ponteng sekolah, venue for the activities is at CC / mamak / kopitiam / someone's house

I mean .. what he's saying is exactly what you said though. Enough to be at conversational level, but not at professional level. I don't think that's unbelievable. Certainly there's no way someone who only studied till Standard 6 English can converse professionally in it, so I don't see why it'd be different for Mandarin.

On the aptitude and willingness - sure but that's applies for anything, so I think it's a moot point. The fact you're "forced" to study Mandarin for SPM or just being in environment where people speak Mandarin will simply improve your Mandarin ability.

SPM BM got A

But speaking wise not as fluent cause SMJK, I think I got 4 malay friends only. Whole school about 95% chinese.

I'll be very frank - expensive schools often have bad ROI. In all honesty, if you're going to judge a school based on ROI value, you'll never ever be satisfied. It's something like splurging on a LV or Rolex. High-quality, but in the end they provide the same function.

The cost to study in US these days, especially a private university say UPenn would be +- RM1m. The cost of study international school would be what? RM50-100k a year depending on which school you go.

The truth is, it's a diminishing return. You pay a lot, but you gain only very little. It's what you can make of it in the end.

You gain exposure to different cultures and people/connections that is simply not quantifiable.

So stop looking at things from ROI perspective, and go only 1) if you can afford to "lose" that sum of money 2) expose your kids to a unique environment

Many folks can afford to send their kids to private schools / study overseas, but not all of them can accept their kids potentially getting nothing or barely anything out of it. What separates these two kind of folks is simply whether you're actually rich, or you're just enough rich.

TLDR - Private/International school is a luxury

This post has been edited by trojandude: Mar 9 2023, 12:09 AM

not international school is good

but gov school suck pro max plus

you go pasar borong, their people bahasa kotor pro max ultra plus, you join them you will behave like them

study in gov school, if unlucky, whole life also gone

Send smk school teach math science ence in English, and extra chinese subject too. No money dont act like got money die die must send to private school.