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 Notice many msian parent send kids to, international school: good kah ?

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trojandude
post May 17 2022, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 17 2022, 03:56 PM)
is it ?

i don't see anywhere in australia or uk migration system that give you more points for international education.
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International school kids can easily assimilate/integrate/socialise when going abroad

I studied abroad, SJK students stick to themselves. SMK hit or miss (mostly miss).

International kids are fine
trojandude
post May 18 2022, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(langstrasse @ May 17 2022, 08:29 PM)
Interested to know more of the average fees that Malaysians pay for International/Private Schools
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Depends which ones. Anywhere from 30k to 100k depending on the year.

GIS is prolly the most expensive - close to 100k a year. You'll also find the richest kids here.

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post Mar 8 2023, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(pgsiemkia @ Mar 8 2023, 09:26 PM)
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I like to call bullsh*t on that. My Mandarin teacher who’s Hindu Indian learnt mandarin until std 6, taught malays and indians incl bananas how to understand and speak Mandarin. He taught all the Malay information/front desk staff conversational Mandarin, enough to be able to give PRC tourists directions. Its not how much time you need to learn but understand the languages. Chinese schools are all hafal like sekolah agama, doesn’t mean they are gonna be experts in the languages unless they used it everyday at home and with their friends same like I learnt Hokkien and cantonese, in school and in univ, It’s also your aptitude and willingness to learn, if bodo and malas, no hope. I also studied mandarin, 1 period a day for 5 days, 6 years, didn’t remember much cos my mandarin speaking classmates were children of hawkers and B40, preferring to speak English as they considered mandarin as a coolie language, circa 80s while none of them are B40 now.

Nowadays PRC also hiring English speaking overseas chinese as their locals have not mastered this foreign language. Our own locals may have better english then them but still make grammatical mistakes and still confuse with gender, his-her, typical of chinese/malay which does not have gender in their verbs because 你 or “dia” is used for both genders.
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I mean .. what he's saying is exactly what you said though. Enough to be at conversational level, but not at professional level. I don't think that's unbelievable. Certainly there's no way someone who only studied till Standard 6 English can converse professionally in it, so I don't see why it'd be different for Mandarin.

On the aptitude and willingness - sure but that's applies for anything, so I think it's a moot point. The fact you're "forced" to study Mandarin for SPM or just being in environment where people speak Mandarin will simply improve your Mandarin ability.
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post Mar 8 2023, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(BL98 @ Mar 8 2023, 11:03 PM)
Private or international school bad ROI

Best combo is srjkc and smk(chinese), or

srjkc then famous english school (eg St joseph, St xavier)

For pre-U, go for STPM or Matriculasi.

Invest those money in good divident stocks for university
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I'll be very frank - expensive schools often have bad ROI. In all honesty, if you're going to judge a school based on ROI value, you'll never ever be satisfied. It's something like splurging on a LV or Rolex. High-quality, but in the end they provide the same function.

The cost to study in US these days, especially a private university say UPenn would be +- RM1m. The cost of study international school would be what? RM50-100k a year depending on which school you go.

The truth is, it's a diminishing return. You pay a lot, but you gain only very little. It's what you can make of it in the end.

You gain exposure to different cultures and people/connections that is simply not quantifiable.

So stop looking at things from ROI perspective, and go only 1) if you can afford to "lose" that sum of money 2) expose your kids to a unique environment

Many folks can afford to send their kids to private schools / study overseas, but not all of them can accept their kids potentially getting nothing or barely anything out of it. What separates these two kind of folks is simply whether you're actually rich, or you're just enough rich.

TLDR - Private/International school is a luxury

This post has been edited by trojandude: Mar 9 2023, 12:09 AM
trojandude
post Mar 11 2023, 01:05 AM

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QUOTE(knumskul @ Mar 10 2023, 04:13 PM)
Due to crazy competition to be the very best!
Even my time my teachers admitted they put close to 0 effort at school so can save energy for their tuition classes since they can make so much more money there. Excuse is the students hopeless and won't listen.

Quite disgusting imo but our system created this issue and keeps encouraging it.
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Oh god this literally reminded me of my childhood.

I've had teachers back in SMK who literally refused to teach. REFUSED. He would literally come in and say "sakit kepala" la "sakit perut" and bullshit and say today "buat kerja sendiri" or "rilek".

The teacher would then promote his/her own tuition classes and say if want to "truly" learn, come to the tuition.

People really have no idea how messed up our SK/SMK is. Malays who insistently want Chinese to attend SK/SMK turn a blind eye to the absolutely shit schools we have. The Chinese reject SK/SMK because the schools are FULL OF SHIT.

I'm sorry but non-folks here, please never make the mistake of sending your kids to SK/SMK because chances are they're shit. Malays themselves especially the good ones get handpicked to attend MARA, while the richer ones send their kids to international schools. These should tell you a lot.

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