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JimbeamofNRT
post May 24 2022, 01:31 PM

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come across this one interesting thread in reddit

What is cocurriculums for actually?

https://www.reddit.com/r/malaysia/comments/...s_for_actually/

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It's a cargo cult: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cargo_cult

The early Malaysian statesmen, who were all educated in London, saw that British lads were active in social organized activities outside of school hours. They thought that this has some sort of correlation with the higher level of wealth and prosperity of the Brits, but utterly failed to understand the fundamental significance of those after-school activities.

Their first mistake was getting the causality backwards. They thought that participation in after-school organization lead to better mental and social development in children. Actually the lads' willingness to participate in social activity is a reflection of a healthy social environment that encouraged children to pursue their interests. Trying to achieve a result from the wrong direction lead to a disastrous failure.

Their second mistake was applying the typical Malay nobility top-down style of governance. They failed to realize that British lads joined various groups because those groups were fun. They weren't forced or compelled to join by anyone. In Malaysia, they designed a system where students are effectively compelled to join a limited set of ministry-approved organization. Of course you can't spend your after-school hours discussing anything that could threaten the power structure of the country, such as liberalism, socialism, secularism, atheism and feminism.

JimbeamofNRT
post May 24 2022, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ May 24 2022, 01:57 PM)
Spore also failed in terms of co curriculum activities.

They force students to take up CCA, and made pass or fail grading.
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I noticed that they have some interesting CCA subjects

Rock band/song composing cool2.gif

https://thesmartlocal.com/read/unique-ccas/
JimbeamofNRT
post Mar 9 2023, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(boonwuilow @ Mar 8 2023, 11:43 PM)
U know what CCA we got in SMK ? Is called ponteng sekolah, venue for the activities is at CC / mamak / kopitiam / someone's house
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hahahaha.... those were the days

during my time during ponteng we go roaming around the town, bring extra shirt just for that


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post Mar 9 2023, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 09:43 AM)
It’s not about migration. It’s about the best choice of education today.

There is a difference between private or international schools. International schools tends to be more expensive if they are the reputable ones. Private schools are more cheaper but some are just operating from shop lots. However, the syllabus are usually the same as IGCSE seems to be the most popular one unless they follow US system which some international school does but I believe most private or international schools follow IGCSE.


Why go to such schools and not SRJKC or SRK? SRK problem, I think no need to write here everyone already know. The problem extends to most SK today except for some sekolah cemerlang. The old reputable SK like VI, St. John, etc. are no longer the best anymore as they are now not much different from any SK.

As for reasons why parents are opting out from SRJKC, the main reason is overcrowding. Today most classes have 40 to more than 50 kids. The problem of SRJKC since the beginning is either you swim or sink. If your child are not those who can follow their style of teaching, they will be left behind and today it is worse as the classes are too big for the teachers to teach and ensure every kid understand. A lot of parents are also beginning to understand that having tons of homework might not be suitable for their kids as it makes them hate learning and they are not really learning anything real.

It is the same with Chinese secondary independent schools. Most parents know their kids won’t do well in such schools by standards 6 if they barely survive SRJKC. There’s no point sending them to such schools knowing they will only sink further. So the other choice is SK which have tons of problems today.

So, parents are beginning to send their kids to private or international school today as they are providing the ONLY best choice available especially in Klang Valley. Some are even sending their children to primary international or private schools because they want them to get themselves familiar with a system only
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I am one of the parent who did that.

two years in srk, thought wanna give them a chance, but nope, nope, seeing how the whole system works, since I got a better choice, why not?


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post Mar 9 2023, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 09:56 AM)
So you send to private or international?
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Private.

taking igcse btw. kids behave a bit better, class consist of 15 kids or less. no extra co curiculum after class.

no tution throughout the school years

still ok till now.

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post Mar 9 2023, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 10:10 AM)
That is what I was told. IGCSE is more suitable for kids than our national syllabus
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TBH, IGCSE is simpler than the current SPM syllibus

and the school didnt force the students to take the subjects, like our time at sekolah menengah, if you in Sci class you need to take the whole package, if you have interest in Economics or Art class there is no way you can take the classes.
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post Mar 9 2023, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Mar 9 2023, 10:25 AM)
I think that’s why kids love the syllabus more as it give them more flexibility
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love, maybe not at all, but much more enjoyable learning process, which in return shaped their mind and perspective in different way, positively I hope.

some parents asked me last time how come dont send to tution, I said what for, they already got adequate lesson at school, why must force them additional class ? u think ur kid is a robot or what? studying from morning till night. no life is it?
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post Mar 9 2023, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 9 2023, 10:44 AM)
This point interests me, because I keep hearing comments about how "Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has been watered down", and I am actually wondering how true that statement really is.

I have been exposed to both the SPM and Cambridge GCE syllabuses before, having done my secondary school both in Malaysia and Singapore in the early-1990's:
1. I took Malaysia's Matematik Tambahan and Singapore's Additional Mathematics textbooks and past year papers (i.e. SPM vs. GCE 'O' Levels), and laid them side-by-side. The syllabus was almost exactly the same.
2. SPM Biology required students to study most of the bones in the human body. Singapore's G.C.E 'O' Level Biology covered only four (4) bones on the arm.
(I am aware that G.C.E. and IGCSE are not the same thing, but I am guessing that they should be at least comparable in standard.)

Does anyone have any concrete data and information to support or debunk the claim that Malaysia's secondary school syllabus has really been watered down, at least for Mathematics and Sciences? Note that I am referring to the syllabus content and level of difficulty, not the marking scheme (which is another big topic for debate) or the quality of teaching (which is highly-dependent on individual schools and teachers).
I agree with the first part about the optimum combination being SJK©+SKJK©. When I was doing my senior high school in Singapore, one of my schoolmates was ex-Catholic High School PJ. He was winning Chinese essay awards, trouncing his Singaporean classmates, and his English was strong enough to keep up with the Singapore standards.
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I am not sure about the Add Maths , let me check back for you

right now I have with me the pdf file of Cambridge Complete Physics for Cambridge Secondary 1

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post Mar 9 2023, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 9 2023, 09:19 AM)
Yup

Notice this too

Kids from national school is way more competitive and adaptable to challenging environment

Whereas kids from private&international school seem more lazy, entitled and expect employers/landlord to cater to them

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QUOTE(mrg220t @ Mar 9 2023, 10:55 AM)
Lmao sohai look at the rare successful national school kids and compare with unsuccessful international/private school kids.

Those matgian/rempits/ahbengs from national school is more competitive meh? Those top A Levels and internationally recognized kids from international schools more lazy meh?

That's why our national school syllabus is dumb because the results is people like you lol.
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WHOA! Where you get your stat from bro max_cavalera ?
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post Mar 9 2023, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(ze2 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:11 AM)
Initially I enrolled my kids to SRJKC.

Math was great, English and BM..... kids gave the correct answers, will be marked wrong. I don't need to mention further. Text book and work book, like new.

Switch to private, best decision ever. Then high school they managed to get into a reputable intl school. Thanks God.
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Did u go meet the teacher and demand the explanation over the matter?

I did met with the teacher several times due to some issues, and they was like... the attitude ranting.gif .
that one incident that was the last straw-next day I came to the HM office and told them wanna transfer school and asked for surat berhenti sekolah and the whole files.
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post Mar 9 2023, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(MiniCooperS1275 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:23 AM)
That is precisely what I mean. The problem is not because the standard of the SRJK© syllabus and content is low, it's actually quite high. The problem is the effectiveness in execution and the quality of the teachers.

If we took the same syllabus content and level of difficulty, and improved the following:
1. Textbooks and Activity Books
2. Teaching quality and effectiveness
would it change the picture?


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During my school days I have met with several dedicated teachers which some of them, I still keep in touch

their passion, dedication, I can safely say I dont meet these kind of great teachers anymore these days

cant blame the current teachers too, they are kinda forced to do so many clerical things .

dunno lah, perhaps need the Great Reset to revamp the whole education system.


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post Mar 9 2023, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(ze2 @ Mar 9 2023, 11:31 AM)
Did that, went to headmaster and even to MP. At the discretion of Moe la.

Dem frustrated. Kids always believed teachers were right. No need to say further, later kena kecam.

Some people thinks we purposely wanted to send kids to private and intl schools ? Those without kid, or those never check their homework or exam papers, take a step back and check. This is the reality.
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I hate dealing with em Little Napoleons. As if we parents are kinda nuicense to them.

as long we can work hard, got better choice, just do it lah haih. I dont want to kena oppressed by them.

kids always believed teachers were right - correct.

until they found google and showed to the Teacher, and the Teacher reprimand the kid in front of the class. that's what happened back then.

Teacher was wrong but die die wanna taichi. I told her if you were wrong just admit and move on lah, but nopeee, she made things worse and start doing shits doing the class. Imagine a Teacher indirectly bullying her own students.

suffice to say, after the whole incident I lost my trust on the whole system.

I did get back to the Teacher btw. in quite a subtle yet unpleasant way. last I check she no longer teaching in the gomen.

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post Mar 9 2023, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(exclus1ve @ Mar 9 2023, 11:53 AM)
SRK and SMK student here.
My experience?? Primary school, math teacher gone for 2 months. I honestly forgot the reason. No replacement for 2 months. Only a stand in teacher. One that come sit there wtaching us and letting us doing what we want.
Secondary school. Geography teacher one plus month bersalin. No replacement.
And that's not the worse. I still remember clearly. During form 2. Almost 2 months (or is it 3. Can't even remember) no math teacher again. Iirc coz teacher got transferred.
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It is a normal scenario actually. every single year sure got pregnant one.

and hardly got replacement teacher for that particular subjects
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post Mar 10 2023, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(mezanny @ Mar 10 2023, 09:08 AM)

I went to study in Australia, I found that they did not have a single tution. Teachers focus on the school curriculum no tution bullshit.

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It's an Asian thing

asian parents loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee tution

 

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