I just bought this higher but less wide dutch lady milk at village grocer (on left) and wider but shorter box (on right)

Notice the difference in labelling ? Even protien is less. Price for the taller box is 9.30 while right box is 8 something

Left is from malaysia fresh milk and right is from nz but uht


Both packaging fresh milk!


Why so much variable for same type of model damn feel kena con less protien liao

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This post has been edited by Roadwarrior1337: Apr 2 2022, 10:42 PM

don't know why, but interesting observation you have there

topkek that now they even consider UHT = susu segar

UHT is supposed to be reconstituted milk

This post has been edited by Starbucki: Apr 2 2022, 10:45 PM

Our cow here all kurus.

UHT makes it shelf stable, no need refrigerate, can last years, hence cheaper.
Real fresh milk only last around 2 weeks even with refrigeration.

Yes i damn piss off coz i boight 2 box and they where in fridge so i thought legit fresh milk but then i just realise uht

Ultra-high temperature, or UHT, milk is ultra-pasteurized milk that comes in sterilized containers.

Pasteurization vs UHT

Pasteurization is a low-temperature sterilization method invented in 1865 by a French named Pasteur. Pasteurized milk is sterilized by heating at 72-85°C for 10-15 seconds.

UHT: Ultra High Temperature. Milk is heated by ultra-high temperature of 135-145°C and kept for 2-4 seconds for sterilization.

https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/sciencecommuni...-better-choice/

UHT no need to put in fridge. I think the retail staff pondan and thinks they are all the same.

But still no reason for milk companies to call UHT = susu segar because they are not.

Whicj is cheaper and always at dry milk area. This one fridge so i thought legit since packaging say susu segar


Kok feel kena con

UHT has better taste compare to pasteurised one.

So which is healthy for a toddler to drink? UHT?

Wahlau been decades this milk preservation tech,Uht vs pasteurized(lower temp)

I still cannot brain why the packaging is green color and price for uht is 8.80 sen which is higher than other uht anyway. And label say fresh milk

I still cannot process coz even nutrition is diff

toddler better stick to formula

UHT for adults ok.

UHT = Fresh Milk............lol

Baca this la ...
https://blogs.unimelb.edu.au/sciencecommuni...-better-choice/

Pasteurized always taste better n more expensive to produce

Nah uh. My son's ped actually suggested he take some full cream milk as he needs the fat for his brain development. And this is coming from a ped who graduated from UK and is nearing retirement

For supplement ok la. Not as replacement which was the supposed context.

Prefer the shorter box since easy to store. (If not open, store it in shelf).
Both has similar taste.

Wai rm 8, so expensive.. usually the shorter box version about rm 6++ at mydin

Not exactly debating but uht to me is of cheaper price and gone thru a process from powdered milk back to normal milk for import purpose. But that is not considered fresh milk.

Fresh milk shud be just named as fresh milk like the box on the left says


We shud be able to choose what milk we get and if the box say fresh milk the content shud never say uht


Something triggered me to compare coz packaging diff i was wondering what is the difference for them to have diff packaging.

The other thing is the uht milk has shelf life of 1 year and fresh one is by end of this month. M
So obviously kena con. If i wanted uht i know where to get i
Fucker dutch lady i want fresh from cow nenen

Malaysia packaging, other country not sure

We use Good day for example: (inb4 ayam goodday salesman)

UHT normally this packaging (Normally will not see fresh milk in this packing, Dutch Lady topkek)


Fresh Milk normally is this packaging

These packaging and being in the fridge also trying to dupe people into assuming they are all fresh milk. But at least they got write properly la.

TS, i think somewhere along the line, the gomen relaxed the definition of fresh milk, coz i must read the fine print nowdays too otherwise kana con

Manufacturing Pasteurized milk is more expensive than UHT milk, actually UHT cannot call Fresh Milk, and this is not retail staff pandai, this is purposely put one, because these company know Malaysian cannot differentiate Pasteurized and UHT, so Malaysian consumer thought that all milk put in chilled isle is fresh milk. The you can slowly raise the price of UHT very near to Pasteurized...more margin.

For those that don't know, Pasteurized milk, raw mat is fresh milk, either packed at country of origin then come to Malaysia on refer containers, or in bulk tank then pasteurized and pack in Malaysia, UHT milk is made from milk powder.

In some countries, baby formula milk are labeled as supplement, it is not a requirement as long as you ensure your toddler's food is of various variety.

Here, some nanny can feed babies with potato porridge for lunch for weeks on end. That is not variety and not even a balanced meal.

honestly, consumer protection should do something about this abuse using "Fresh Milk" as the term in the ingredients, while below it says UHT.

You dont see good day fresh milk uht in wider box right

I like good day but always kena sapu. Today farm fresh also nearing expiry so thought get dutch lady la since fresh milk and expiring end of the month


Fuck memang unscrupulous to decieve people with same packaging color. Next time must read the label and fine print and not take word fresh milk at face value


There are many ways to earn money but this is not the way. Uht 6 ringgit la bai but that is not concern. Concern is word fresh milk put so big there and green color which given if u not blind u know its fresh milk

ingredients of UHT was previously labelled as milk solids, yeda yeda, and they call it reconstituted milk yeda yeda. Fair to me. But now they blatantly calls it fresh milk. Am I missing something here?

The only difference is process.
UHT and pasteurized. There is no such thing as fresh milk fresh from tits. Just either reconstituted or not.

Pasteurized is more expensive solely because it needs refrigeration.

Not only DL,all other brands hv this 2 types,Farm fresh, magnolia
And so called fresh pasterurized milk frm aussie also kay come in powder/blocks etc

But if one dont read ingredient grab and go since its called fresh milk and green color tab , for sure we know green means fresh for good day and dutch lady

Or they goinng to say i assumes it fresh by the design and big word call fresh milk ? Fresh milk from nenen and pasterize. Uht is from nenen, heated to poweder and then process again to liquid form. I reduce intake of process shit but this is just pure evil decieving

Not about price but just the very concept of this deciet

Yah but its labeled as uht and shell life is longer right ? Fresh shud have shorter life couple of weeks probably. Annything u can keep for few month has somr added ingredient to keep it longer and even dont need to put in fridge before opening

UHT not necessarily reconstituted. It could be 'fresh' but the main objective for UHT is cost reduction. There is also reconstituted pasteurized milk. Thats how you get variants like full cream/low fat/skimmed

ok so wads the freshest of fresh milk out there? magnolia fresh milk in yellow carton for example? if the magnolia low fat fresh milk, it is also NOT fresh milk then but is reconstituted?

Low fat milk is the biggest con job in milk pack industry.

Niama extract all the good fat from milk to make cheese and yoghurt.

Sell packed milk as LOW FUCKING FAT milk.
Best thing is, consumer don't even know.
They see LOW FAT, they think good. They see full cream, whoa can drink can also make cake, very good.

Was in raw mat industry once, and i can tell you all, stop consuming processed shits ok?
If your body can digest well, eat from the main source, like potato, apple, orange... don't go buy orange juice, squeeze it yourself. You like papaya? go papaya farm pick some juicy one.

sometimes i see people protect protect local industry and big MNC, whilst these fella exploit them like a pig in a pen waiting to be slaughtered. Maybe its meant to be.

Ts kena con… Dutch lady uht normally rm5-6 only at aeon.

so which is better?

Maybe she meant 'raw milk'?

raw milk = unpasteurised milk

taste really different, locally can get at yindian shop. Can't vouch for quality since last raw milk I had was from aus

Well u also get variant apparently fresh milk from a same company. Even sugar also higher. Thats why it taste nice but really if someone buy fresh milk he should get pasturize fresh milk fresh from cow nenen not go to kilang and turn to powder


Its correct if they advertise as fresh milk uht. That i can accept if packaging write that clearly upfront in all those color and design but its on fine print

Well hope they rot no more dutch lady. I shud have taken farm fresh or watever than this overprice shit

Yes kena con la thats the whole point of this thread


Beware what you buy and read label for eveything. This faccist scum of congolomerate no fuck about you other than earning that extra 2 ringgit and shove in more processed shit


Remind me of that movie snowpiercer. They give you black jelly made with insect and shit and u eat that thinking its food


Same shit

This post has been edited by Roadwarrior1337: Apr 2 2022, 11:15 PM

the one that's freshly boiled at milk farm? (or fresh from cow tits if you are adventurous enough?)
afaik there are no gazetted definitions for fresh. it could be non-reconstituted or non-processed aside from sterilization.

is chocolate flavoured fresh milk really fresh milk with choc flavouring, or is it the same reconstituted milk case but labelled as fresh milk?

fresh as fresh from tits, kill germs, then pack in carton.

How did this thread get to three pages?
How is this a big discussion???

UHT means UHT.
Pastuerized means pasteurized.
Fresh means it comes from the cow's nenen and then goes through either one of the processes.

It is labeled fresh because it is NOT reconstituted.

Everything also kena ajar ke?
Go school for what?

Freshest milk other than nenen source is like those punjabi uncle with big tong of milk come. My mother area got family run this business . But u have to boil before drinking it. Early morning they squeeze the cow nenen and afternoon do thier delivery. Not cheap one bag cost like 15 ringgit few year ago which i think its half a liter


But ya not convineint cos location i stay is out and i like cold milk for my ice coffeee

For this bold part is thanks to those stupid consumer like drink diet coke. They wanna drink milk but takut gemuk.

It is not con job, it is to cater stupid consumer.

Uht cheaper and pasteurize is more expensive

But fresh milk really is pasteurized not fuken bullshit uht


Put label clearly fresh milk uht and fresh milk


We all know uht is not fresh thats my point


This post has been edited by Roadwarrior1337: Apr 2 2022, 11:21 PM

Why so expensive? My last purchase of tesco milk only RM4.60

not much difference kut, I wouldn't say one is better than the other, it's just 2 different methods to sterilize milks.

To someone that avoid processed shit, uht is processed wherelse real fresh milk is cold chaines from recieving to storing on isle. All the way temp is below 10 degree and thats why its expensive. Uht is cheaper etc and processed more than pasteurized milk

what about taste wise? any difference?

gila mahal..

i always go tesco. sometime 4.90 only.

Pasteurization is a process leh ...

Did it ever occur to you that, because of the need of refrigeration, hence the higher cost ?

taste is subjective right ?
Just buy one of each and test it out lor ...

UHT vs fresh milk. Of course there will be a difference.

This post has been edited by coyouth: Apr 2 2022, 11:48 PM

Guys just read this if you are interested in knowing the labelling requirement for fresh milk in Malaysia:

i3investor

Both uht and pasteurized also got calcium right?

Drink milk for calcium. Got beza ka?

I just tried the real fresh milk. Got difference

The uht one taste abit light and the real fresh milk taste fuller if you know what i mean. The milk taste better

I drank half glass, gargle with water and few mins later drank half a glass of the real fresh milk

So there is an obvious difference

Like that i eat toothpaste la. Its not a matter of calcium but matter of transparency to me. I forgo process meat etc and try to take freshes produce. But kena con uht milk sold as fresh milk


Like you take process soya meat vs real chicken meat. Leave out and see which get rotten but both advertise as meat. You know what im trying to say ?

Topkek that pricing. The UHT Fresh Milk usually sell around 6 plus only.

Edit: Perhaps dairy price really raised liao.

This post has been edited by editboy: Apr 2 2022, 11:58 PM

Thanks this sum it up nicely





This post has been edited by Roadwarrior1337: Apr 3 2022, 12:00 AM

Yes. Agreed. That is why, when it's come to milk, I go for the cheap one which is UHT. Boleh tahan lama, murah juga.

Formula milk this days they even dosed with corn syrup to get your baby hooked and enjoy. Biggest hoax and marketing for profit. It’s not good for toddlers. Better drink fresh and have multivitamins in liquid form as supplement.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/baby...405371.html?amp

fresh from human nenen of course is better

but never seen any babies drinking fresh cow nenen milk tho

1 is pasteurized milk and the other is UHT milk. That is the difference.

take farm fresh fresh milk la, cheaper bro, rm7.3 and 6.5 if discount at tesco

the 2L ones also good at rm13

at least farm fresh fresh milk cows were from NZ, or bred from NZ cows and live in msia. Yarra is farm fresh 'UHT' version. reconstituted.

Due to the marketing of formula milk. Read the article many formula milk brands contains up to 2x the sugar of Fanta Drink. Getting babies hooked on sugar at such a young age, very bad for health. Give them mood swings and depression at baby toddler stage and craving for sugar.

username checks out. What about those T20 farmhouse fresh milk? how is it fresh if import from australia and in shelf for 1 week? whats your take

Don’t understand why you keep belaboring this point. You seem to imply that UHT must equal reconstituted from dry milk powder which clearly isn’t fresh milk legally. But others already pointed out you can have fresh milk that underwent UHT process and then from that moment on it does not need refrigeration. I think it would still be fair to call it fresh UHT milk.

Reconstituted UHT full cream milk cost rm6 at aeon n those are found in the dry shelf section. They do not put the word fresh milk on those cartons ( I have them in my fridge)

Again conflating UHT to reconstituted. If it’s reconstituted it would have the word milk solids in the ingredient list. U legally can’t put “fresh milk “ on reconstituted product. Where did this impression of UHT = reconstituted originate? Is it because ppl here see that UHT doesn’t need refrigeration so they think it’s from milk powder?

You dont ger my point. All i am saying fresh milk is fresh milk from nenen. If label say fresh milk then it has to be right? Uht is not. Like that might as well i buy powdered milk and make myself and can keep for long time.

All im saying is fresh milk has to be milk that has been pasturize and not something dry that has water added and sold as fresh milk. That is just pure evil and is a lie

The law say cannot mix with water. If its uht then atleast have the decency to label as fresh milk uht so buyer can make concise purchase

This is you not getting my whole point (and you are probably confused about UHT). there is UHT milk from RECONSTITUTED milk and UHT milk from FRESH milk (milk that has never been made into milk pwder and reconsituted). UHT is just HEAT treatment at higher temp than pasteurization, it DOES NOT say anything about using milk powder and reconstituting it, adding Water etc etc.

Here is thought experiment. milk from nenen can be unpasteurized, it is still fresh milk right (except we call it RAW milk). why cant that same fresh milk undergo UHT? why does UHT automatically make it not fresh in your eyes but pasteurization still is?

This is the UHT milk from reconstituted from my fridge, the ingredient clearly says from milk solids and isnt marketed as FRESH milk. btw, it is also RM6.2, and the packaging is clearly diff from your UHT Fresh dutch lady milk.







PS: I do agree they should label fresh milk that is pasteurized vs fresh milk that gone UHT much clearer, but at least they do say so at the back.



This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Apr 3 2022, 12:49 AM

For me if i see susu segar and i wanted susu segar and i paid for susu segar i very well damn deserve susu segar


Uht comes either in powder base during transport and then reconstructed with water and undergo that process

It could also be frozen but for the price it aint frozen (those are above 20 ringgit for 1 liter)


Its simple really or maybe we both habe different opinion. If i wanted uht then id buy uht yea. There are difference. Tell me then why the real susu segar has a lifespan of 2 to 3 weeks wherelse the uht fresh milk can last 1 year


My point is milk is milk but if someone wants to buy susu segar they just deserve it if the box advertise fresh milk and he paid the fair amount for fresh milk


Its like you open a shop, sell uht milk and inform
Patrons is fresh milk and charge a premium. You get it now ?

There is no need to use milk powder to get low fat milk, you simply let the milk fat rise to the top and skim of some of it, then rehomogenize. skim all the fat away and it becomes skim milk. in US, the process is much more clear, they market full fat fresh (which is about 4% fat), 2% fat fresh milk, 1% fat fresh milk and 0% fresh (skim milk).

this is where you are mistaken (and I and others have repeatedly tried to tell you this but you are too blinkered to see what we are tryin to tell you). Yes most UHT milk sold here like the one I bought is from powder base. but the one you bought, the ingredient clearly says fresh milk. it could very well be fresh milk from Australia that undergone UHT treatment over there and then transported in bulk (ie liquid form) over to malaysia, which also explains the price difference.




friend, this is where the process of pasteurization and UHT comes into play. raw unpasteurized milk goes bad within a day in our climate. pasteurization kills some of the bacteria and slows the spoilage process so that it can last a few weeks in the fridge. leave it out in room temperature and the bacteria that wasn't killed will still multiply and the pasteurized milk will spoil also within days in our climate.

UHT kills ALL the bacteria in the liquid milk, that's why once it is UHT treated AND sealed in the box unopened, no bacteria can grow and that's why the UHT milk can last for a year without refrigeration.

and I repeat again, UHT and pasteurization only involves HEAT, not freeze drying into powder base, not adding back water etc ....all these have nothing to do with UHT.

This post has been edited by diffyhelman2: Apr 3 2022, 01:09 AM

if UHT is better than pasteurisation in that it kills all germs and lasts longer, why not just make all fresh milk UHT?

BEcause UHT changes the taste composition of milk. the high temperature (135C) destroys some of the long branch fatty acids and amino acids that give flavor to the milk. That's why raw milk tastes the best according to people, because all the original amino and fatty acids that give it the flavor are preserved (pasteurization also destroys some of them but less because of the lower temp).

ironically the protein content for UHT is higher than pasteurised if you look at the first post. How does that explain?

Most yogurt is low fat.

according to the label, uht has higher milk fat, should be more mouth full than pasteurized.

interestingly enough, there was a proposal by the UK govt to push for 90% of all milk to be sold there as UHT a few years back, in order to reduce the need for refregetraion and cut greenhouse gas, but it was dropped because of consumer resistance. (like milk that isn't refrigerated isnt fresh milk , etc).

Bro thank you for your explanation but i disagree how they cheat like this. I said before fresh milk to me is fresh milk. The taste is definitely different after trying just now. A consumer see fresh milk ok lo buy taste sure nice but instead get uht milk kaninabu market as fresh milk and less milk oomph. Sometime now it trigger me now which i have to check why HL milk makes it feel like im eating cereal with water

I guess at the end all im saying is becareful with what you buy. Read fine print and if have to spend 10 mins to conpare diff milk then have to la since got unscrupulous kaninabu pull this kind of tricks

Not sure about that, but UHT milk tends to lose some micronutrients like vit C during the process, so they perhaps add back some supplements into the batch? perhaps another reason is just different variant of fresh milk. these are good and fair questions tho for Dutch lady, consumers should have a right to know more about their different products but most Malaysians don't really query enough.

HL milk is reconstituted milk, clearly says from milk solids, and it tastes horrible, the Dutch lady UHT reconsituted milk I showed taste so much better than that crap HL milk.

i like banana milk

It is precisely these irreconciliations that I have my doubts that these "UHT Fresh Milk" are really the same fresh milk as those that had undergone pasteurisation.

ts can get full cream dark blue label instead and compare? I prefer that one but my wife always like green label, now can compare both

see post 72

saw that, thanks. So no one has saw slim blue label kan?

Slim green - actual pasteurized fresh milk
wide green - expensive uht
wide blue - uht
light blue - low fat uht
choc/pink - flavored uht

https://www.dutchlady.com.my/product-listing-by-format/

This post has been edited by eidrag: Apr 3 2022, 01:41 AM

ahh fresh milk

fresh milk? lol, all the 'fresh milk' u see in the shelves of supermarkets are all processed milk

u wan fresh milk? rear a cow and get from it

bored doing work at night, I compiled both dutch lady fresh milk and full cream in various form

actual low fat milk - milk that got the fats removed - tastes horrible. think milk mixed with water... tawar like that, and you're halfway right.

so to compensate, they add sugary materials - sugar ka, fructose ka, or whatever.



it's a lifetime-long open scam that's hardly a conspiracy anymore. that's why if you ever vote, and love milk, always ask whoever you're voting if they are willing to force KKM and KPDNHEP to ban low fat wording, and strictly enforce fresh milk == pasteurized milk, and UHT CANNOT have fresh milk wording on the box/container.

BUT, it's a politically suicide move, so no politician in any party will ever dare to openly say this. and this is not just malaysia, most places around the world also takde yang berani.

this is why asshats can get away with calling reconstructed palm oil as * MILK, when it is not even close to become milk. imagine the B40s who have no choice but to give condensed milk to newborns because "it's better than no milk at all"

This post has been edited by C-Fu: Apr 3 2022, 04:35 AM

wrong

UHT is just a process, can be used both on reconstituted and Fresh Milk™

This one you go argue with Ministry of Health lah

Get this, TS: UHT - DOESN'T - MEAN - POWDERED!!

And that is exactly what you're buying