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Investment Kenanga Digital Investing (KDI), KDI Invest, KDI Save

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Pikichu
post Apr 19 2023, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 19 2023, 04:18 PM)
If Kenanga not safe, you think can get approval from EPF to invest unit trust?
If Kenanga not safe, think they can offer PRS or get license from BMM to sell unit trust?

If you don't like kenanga, go with versa. No one is forcing you to put your money into KDI. For me it's the best MMF cause I can get my money on the same day. Not many MMF can do that. 3.5%p.a is decent. Nothing to shout home about.
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As Xander2k8 puts it, tongkat and cronism is in play, and list Gamuda remaining as making money.
I heard Public Mutual had lots of top performers and EPF allowed but today so few mention of them.

As I've put it, I was neither for or against Kenanga, and look to sifus' for guidance.
Thank you for the recommendation. Yes, I am impress by KDI Save's liquidity.

QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 19 2023, 04:23 PM)
Not royalty dump but forced into partnership with maximum 30% thanks to Tongkat rule πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ Remember royalty just siphoned others while not knowing how to run a business as you can tell with many solid overseas brand name destroyed by them in Malaysia πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ the only royalty run company currently that is making good money is Gamuda

The company is credible and solid just the management is still Tongkat and old skool and headed by royalty in the board hence they move very slow while trying to transform as typical Malaysians companies does
As long as their licensed with SC and BNM approval it is ultra safe to have money in their products as it would be regulated and no hanky panky
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Thank you for the insight.
Since the China Hustle, still unresolved until today, SC, I take with a bag of salt.
As for BNM, news reports that they knew about 1MDB and did nothing about it.

PMX is welcome change but the closets remains, who know what skeletons left.
That's why I learn from sifus' of LYN Finance when I can find time to read.
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post Apr 19 2023, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Pikichu @ Apr 19 2023, 04:46 PM)
As Xander2k8 puts it, tongkat and cronism is in play, and list Gamuda remaining as making money.
I heard Public Mutual had lots of top performers and EPF allowed but today so few mention of them.

As I've put it, I was neither for or against Kenanga, and look to sifus' for guidance.
Thank you for the recommendation. Yes, I am impress by KDI Save's liquidity.
Thank you for the insight.
Since the China Hustle, still unresolved until today, SC, I take with a bag of salt.
As for BNM, news reports that they knew about 1MDB and did nothing about it.

PMX is welcome change but the closets remains, who know what skeletons left.
That's why I learn from sifus' of LYN Finance when I can find time to read.
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Why bother hearing about Public Mutual top performers because they are performing into sucking your money through high sales charges and redemption charges while investing underperformed funds πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ if you know how and not do virtual trade you would have already trade your own rather than buying UT

Why bother reading old news report from 10 years ago as we all already knew back then BNM was involved πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ no central banks is so lax or stupid unless their political masters summoned them to do so πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

PMX will not change but keep on holding on those skeletons because he has no balls to change and fired those political servants that is why people has no confidence in him πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ To clean the slate in the 1st place AG, MACC, CS and BNM all has to go because they are carrying political baggage from the past appointed by the previous PM while Anwar keep on harping continuance while begging for co-operation πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Apr 19 2023, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 19 2023, 04:25 PM)
Unker Ramjade is already outdate πŸ˜‚

Versa-i offers same day withdrawal by 1030am execution and received money by 630pm the same day
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Versa and Versa-i are different in withdrawal time?
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post Apr 19 2023, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 19 2023, 05:18 PM)
Versa and Versa-i are different in withdrawal time?
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Yes Versa-i before 1030am same day withdrawal
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post Apr 19 2023, 06:14 PM

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Yes Versa-i before 1030am same day withdrawal
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Then what's the advantage of staying in Versa conventional?
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post Apr 19 2023, 06:47 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 19 2023, 06:14 PM)
Then what's the advantage of staying in Versa conventional?
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Higher returns, lower fees. The 4% is just promo feature to bring in customer.
https://versa.com.my/get-to-know-versa-cash...ey-market-fund/
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post Apr 19 2023, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 19 2023, 06:14 PM)
Then what's the advantage of staying in Versa conventional?
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Lower expense fee by 0.2% while getting better returns by an average 0.5% yearly on its base net return

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 19 2023, 06:47 PM)
Higher returns, lower fees. The 4% is just promo feature to bring in customer.
https://versa.com.my/get-to-know-versa-cash...ey-market-fund/
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Yes which is why I am only sticking with it at 4% until the promos runs in June because I doubt Versa will extend it while paying 0.8%pa on average monthly to top it up to 4%
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post Apr 21 2023, 11:40 AM

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sorry new to this KDI and Versa, which is the better in term of return and liqulity?
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post Apr 21 2023, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(joice11 @ Apr 21 2023, 11:40 AM)
sorry new to this KDI and Versa, which is the better in term of return and liqulity?
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KDI Save - Straight forward, same day withdrawal (before 11am), return 3.5%pa...

Versa Cash - Next day withdrawal (before 3.3pm), return 4.0%pa (Mar 3.95% return, 0.05% bonus reimbursement for the 4% promotion)... (abit complicated due to unit price and bonus in cash and later convert back to unit)

Versa Cash-i - Same day withdrawal (before 10.30am), return 4.0%pa(Mar 3.08% return, balance bonus reimbursement ???)... Personally i still with Versa Cash, other sifu may comment...
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post Apr 21 2023, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(joice11 @ Apr 21 2023, 11:40 AM)
sorry new to this KDI and Versa, which is the better in term of return and liqulity?
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Your choice. You want same day withdrawal or higher returns.

Keep in mind versa-i rates is promo until June then will drop to around 3.2%p.a

For me personally I use KDI for the same day withdrawal and same day deposit.
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post Apr 21 2023, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(confusedway @ Apr 21 2023, 11:59 AM)
KDI Save - Straight forward, same day withdrawal (before 11am), return 3.5%pa...

Versa Cash - Next day withdrawal (before 3.3pm), return 4.0%pa (Mar 3.95% return, 0.05% bonus reimbursement for the 4% promotion)... (abit complicated due to unit price and bonus in cash and later convert back to unit)

Versa Cash-i - Same day withdrawal (before 10.30am), return 4.0%pa(Mar 3.08% return, balance bonus reimbursement ???)... Personally i still with Versa Cash, other sifu may comment...
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Yes Versa-I a lot of reimbursement of trailer fees and rebates from Versa until June only but liquidity is great because 8 hours later money is in the bank by 1830 after 1030 withdrawal execution

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 21 2023, 12:17 PM)
Your choice. You want same day withdrawal or higher returns.

Keep in mind versa-i rates is promo until June then will drop to around 3.2%p.a

For me personally I use KDI for the same day withdrawal and same day deposit.
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Yes Versa-I average 3.2% before the fund was intro into Versa then Feb major drop to 3.08% and the management fee is a bit higher so no doubt after June it will not extend the promo
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post Apr 21 2023, 12:59 PM

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One big turn off of Versa is it takes 2 days for the money to be in, and another one day for the money to be out....If you don't need high liquidity, Versa, else KDI for same day deposit and withdrawal.
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post Apr 21 2023, 01:09 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 21 2023, 12:59 PM)
One big turn off of Versa is it takes 2 days for the money to be in, and another one day for the money to be out....If you don't need high liquidity, Versa, else KDI for same day deposit and withdrawal.
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Not for Versa-I if you want quick liquidity

If your KDI Save doesn’t have balance and you start deposit and withdrawal the same day it doesn’t work πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ which is why KDI Save stated T+1 for that reason πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Same day withdrawal works provided you have an account balance in KDI Save only
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post Apr 21 2023, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 21 2023, 01:09 PM)
Not for Versa-I if you want quick liquidity

If your KDI Save doesn’t have balance and you start deposit and withdrawal the same day it doesn’t work πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ which is why KDI Save stated T+1 for that reason πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

Same day withdrawal works provided you have an account balance in KDI Save only
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Why on earth you want to deposit and withdraw the same day? biggrin.gif too free nothing else to do? biggrin.gif
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post Apr 21 2023, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 21 2023, 01:12 PM)
Why on earth you want to deposit and withdraw the same day? biggrin.gif too free nothing else to do? biggrin.gif
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Some ppl make mistake πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ happened before because of UI/UX confusing and very uniform as the difference on KDI Save and Invest tab and notification are uniform

Some ppl want to amend the amount and many other reasons you can think off πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ
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post Apr 22 2023, 11:47 AM

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QUOTE(confusedway @ Apr 21 2023, 11:59 AM)
KDI Save - Straight forward, same day withdrawal (before 11am), return 3.5%pa...

Versa Cash - Next day withdrawal (before 3.3pm), return 4.0%pa (Mar 3.95% return, 0.05% bonus reimbursement for the 4% promotion)... (abit complicated due to unit price and bonus in cash and later convert back to unit)

Versa Cash-i - Same day withdrawal (before 10.30am), return 4.0%pa(Mar 3.08% return, balance bonus reimbursement ???)... Personally i still with Versa Cash, other sifu may comment...
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So mean after the fee, we actually dont get the 4%?

QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 21 2023, 12:49 PM)
Yes Versa-I a lot of reimbursement of trailer fees and rebates from Versa until June only but liquidity is great because 8 hours later money is in the bank by 1830 after 1030 withdrawal execution
Yes Versa-I average 3.2% before the fund was intro into Versa then Feb major drop to 3.08% and the management fee  is a bit higher so no doubt after June it will not extend the promo
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So mean after the fee, we actually get less then 4%?


QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 21 2023, 12:59 PM)
One big turn off of Versa is it takes 2 days for the money to be in, and another one day for the money to be out....If you don't need high liquidity, Versa, else KDI for same day deposit and withdrawal.
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its takes 2 days for money to in mean we will lost 2 days interest?


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post Apr 22 2023, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(joice11 @ Apr 22 2023, 11:47 AM)
So mean after the fee, we actually dont get the 4%?
So mean after the fee, we actually  get less then 4%?
its takes 2 days for money to in mean we will lost 2 days interest?
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versa will pay bonus to compensate 2 days lost (after bank in). so u wont lose anything.
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post Apr 22 2023, 05:28 PM

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Versa fees and promo rates sounds like fatten piggy and later slaughter.

How do KDI make money from KDI Save ?
I understand business is to make money.
I wish KDI and Versa could spell these out clearly.
I dig through Versa and can't find clearly so I focus on KDI.
I dig through KDI Save's T&C unable to find what KDI charge / make money.
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post Apr 22 2023, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(joice11 @ Apr 22 2023, 11:47 AM)
So mean after the fee, we actually dont get the 4%?
So mean after the fee, we actually  get less then 4%?
its takes 2 days for money to in mean we will lost 2 days interest?
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At the end you earn 4% net after charges but remember it is promo rate until JuneπŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

What you are getting is the base net return plus rebate that is Versa to top it up to 4%

QUOTE(ericlaiys @ Apr 22 2023, 12:16 PM)
versa will pay bonus to compensate 2 days lost (after bank in). so u wont lose anything.
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Yes as long as the money deposit in before cut off as it will capture the fund price for the day

QUOTE(Pikichu @ Apr 22 2023, 05:28 PM)
Versa fees and promo rates sounds like fatten piggy and later slaughter.

How do KDI make money from KDI Save ?
I understand business is to make money.
I wish KDI and Versa could spell these out clearly.
I dig through Versa and can't find clearly so I focus on KDI.
I dig through KDI Save's T&C unable to find what KDI charge / make money.
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Versa is already transparent and showing you that it is going through a fund running by AHAM πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and already stated clearly on the app and the fund price πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ

KDI Save is through own internal treasury fund which is not that transparent other than daily returns

Why worry so much when both companies are licensed and regulated by SC πŸ€¦β€β™€οΈ and when you are talking more than a billion fund size as well
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post Apr 24 2023, 11:14 AM

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Actually how this KDI invest work?

Is it you put rm250 and let it work for 1 year to make profit or you put rm250 and take/leave everytime it make profit?

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