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post Apr 16 2023, 08:41 AM

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KDI Save ’s Rewarding Returns: Fixed 3.50% Effective Annual Rate (EAR)* Limited time only. *Terms and conditions apply

- FD interest calculation : $10,000 x 3.5% = $350 x 1 day / 365 days = $0.9589 interest daily
- KDI Save's returns : $10,000*(1+3.5%)^(1/365)-1 = $0.9425 interest daily
- KDI Save's returns after 1 year for $10,000 in 3.5% = $10,350 interest yearly

1. I thought compound interest is superior to regular FD but in a real world, both FD and KDI Save rate "compounding the interest and principal over time" after a year results 10,350 same as FD.

2. If a bank's promo FD is more than 3.5% would yield higher returns than KDI Save
3. KDI Save's depositors can withdraw 9 days with interest but banks penalize early FD withdrawal.
4. KDI's day 1 interest 0.9425 is lesser than bank's 0.9589.

I had wanted to raise queries, but I came to these conclusions, am I wrong?
Your thoughts are welcome.

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post Apr 16 2023, 12:28 PM

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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 16 2023, 10:55 AM)
I did some quick napkin math with 10000 capital and I've got:

3.5% compounded daily over 1 year: 10,356.18
3.5% compounded yearly over 1 year: 10,350.00
3.5% compounded daily over 10 year: 14,190.44
3.5% compounded yearly over 10 year: 14,105.99
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I do not know what are you trying to say?
KDI Save calculation is in spoiler clearly showing KDI Save 3.5% will yield 10,350 in a year.
This topic is KDI.

If you have other sources of daily compound over 1 year = 10,356.18 then please PM me.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 16 2023, 11:09 AM)
Unless you got very large amount, daily compounding or monthly compounding the sum is pretty much negligible.
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Yes, agree. Thank you Ramjade.
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post Apr 17 2023, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 16 2023, 06:14 PM)
You will only see major difference when it is 100k above
KDI calculation is different because it is not straight forward fixed 3.5%

Go find EAR and you will know it is 10356.18 and why bother with KDI as we already know that is only up to 3.5% and when others are returning higher 🤦‍♀️

Don’t look at the returns when you have the liquidity and if you want better returns look for FD promo instead and locked it in
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KDI Save states its EAR is 3.5% and limited to 10350 not 10356.18
Yes, some FD promos offer higher returns locked in.
KDI's liquidity and terms are easier to understand compared to versa. I am disappointed with EAR 3.5% cap.

QUOTE(1mr3tard3d @ Apr 16 2023, 06:59 PM)
no, KDI interest will not be constant at 0.9425 daily
confused.gif you are comparing a 3.4403% p.a. daily compounding with a 3.50% p.a. simple
so what is wrong with compounding > simple?
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Agree KDI Save's interest is not constant daily.
You are confuse because you did not see KDI source in spoiler, that shows interest of day-2 being higher than day-1, eventually yield 10350, if KDI Save's promo extends to full year. I am not comparing 3.4403% but a KDI Save's 3.5% against conventional FD 3.5%. This topic is about KDI.

When confuse, then I am uncertain to the purpose of the question.
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post Apr 17 2023, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 17 2023, 12:36 PM)
KDI Save it is up to rm50k for EAR 3.5% 🤦‍♀️
You are just confusing yourself because EAR is not a straight forward fixed interest calculation 🤦‍♀️
https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/...65&action=solve
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What are you confuse about... nevermind I dont want your confusion. Thank you for calculatorsoup
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post Apr 18 2023, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(storky20 @ Apr 17 2023, 11:07 PM)
lol at the mini drama but yes your math above is right.

KDI's 3.5% is at EAR instead of fixed 3.5%, hence, after 365 days of daily compounding it becomes 10,350 or effectively, 3.5% p.a. over the course of the 365 days.
In finance/cryptobro terms, KDI Save has an APY of 3.5%, but an APR of only 3.44%.

Anyways, it's only 0.06%, at RM1M deposit, that's like... RM600 difference, not too significant at lower balances, but KDI already offers lower rates for balances above 50K anyways.
Reason why my cash is here, there, everywhere.
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It was not my maths but taken from KDI site and FD from a bank's site.
I appreciate your comment, especially since 3 others were talking from finance view (in a forum subject: KDI)
Ah, so it 3.5% p.a. would describe it clearly. "per annum" Thank you for the finance terms.
Yes, then difference is limited and capital limited to 50k until August. This is the reason I am looking for different offerings too.

QUOTE(1mr3tard3d @ Apr 18 2023, 10:39 AM)
that is kind of meaningless
because if you take KDI's EAR 3.5%, you are only comparing with FD with 1-year maturity (underlying assumption on daily compounding for 365 days)
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QUOTE(download88 @ Apr 18 2023, 12:38 PM)
kdi invest still negative return lol
last Thursday login it already become -0.19, tot it is coming back to positive return, today login and check become worst again, -1.89 lol
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Thank you for this update. When did -1.89 began ?
I imagine it will go lower since Fed warned of winter hard times.
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post Apr 19 2023, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(download88 @ Apr 19 2023, 10:58 AM)
Apr 13 12pm login -0.19
Apr 17 9am login -1.89
Apr  19 9am login -1.08
been there since last year June.. seem like never get positive return for many days even how good the market was  hmm.gif
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Depends on the ETF that they bought into.

As I understand, only investors get to see underlying assets in statement ?
Meaning that, potential investors do not know what they are investing into.
Only can set risk profile defined by risk of loss and potential returns %.

Since June 2022 until today (blue line), S&P 500 is about flat. Weekly price chart from Trading View.
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Thanks for sharing.
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post Apr 19 2023, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 19 2023, 11:47 AM)
Just a question to ask, if KDI go busted, does it mean all our funds inside will be gone too?
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I believe they hold the funds in Philip Trustee but you should check their website / customer service.
The funds are not PIDM insured like bank deposits up to 250k.
After all, what bank and investment have 0 risk, correct?
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post Apr 19 2023, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 19 2023, 12:17 PM)
From what i noticed, most of the people only concern about the interest rate and the withdrawal time. Not many people actually asking how secured this KDI is and it seems no information available where they deposit our money too.
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Agree, safety first.

QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 19 2023, 12:50 PM)
Not Philip Trustee but Pacific Trustee 🤦‍♀️
The information is there but very difficult to find in akDI website due to its fonts
A lot of ppl ask but couldn’t get answer but a standard that KDI Save is a treasury product
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Thank you for the correction.

QUOTE(yayai @ Apr 19 2023, 01:02 PM)
^ This, I kinda trust Kenanga, they existed before I was even born, don't think they will go bust so easily
However I hate this KDI's non transparency and website/app looks very immature. I don't give a s**t about withdrawal time and the 3.5 now is just meh
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You trust non-transparency.
Not that I am judging. I struggle with how KDI Save presents as "compounding" but buried in the FAQ is calculation that results in 3.5% p.a. and the maths works out to 10350 instead of 10361. KDI Save withdrawal takes 1 to 2 days, which I take for granted until last week one of the octopus ransome me so the liquidity is handy.

3.5 is a meh because KDI Invest customer account is in the red since June.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 19 2023, 01:03 PM)
If you know who is kenanga, you wouldn't be asking this question. Do you know that they are approved by EPF to invest EPF money should choose them to invest over letting the money sit inside EPF?
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I never knew this. This is the reason I rely on sifus' of LYN Finance.
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post Apr 19 2023, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 19 2023, 03:56 PM)
KDI Save liquidity by disclosure they have to put T+1 or 2 in order to cover any unforeseen delays but in actual operation it is within the same day if withdrawal is done by 11am the same day

KDI Invest forget about it because by the time the AI start moving the markets already move because the data is being used is already lagged just like how the US Fed on using lagged data 🤦‍♀️ Hence why you see red in accounts

Kenanga is already 50 years this year and started by royal family and was owned by John Hancock in 80s and Deutsche Bank in 90s and now Rakuten has a stake in it

So do you think Kenanga is not credible while EPF allow its members to invest in its fund 🤦‍♀️
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50 year old company use lagged data biggrin.gif

Royalty dump this company to Hancock then dump to Deutsche then dump to Rakuten biggrin.gif
Smart folks hang on to good investment, until....
Now that you mention, I see why people find this company not credible.

EPF let members early withdrawal. Recently PMX had to plug it.
Maybe someone wants to come in and state BN ruled for 60 years, very credible ? biggrin.gif

Anyway, I was neither for or against KDI but with recent info, I learn something new.
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post Apr 19 2023, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Apr 19 2023, 04:18 PM)
If Kenanga not safe, you think can get approval from EPF to invest unit trust?
If Kenanga not safe, think they can offer PRS or get license from BMM to sell unit trust?

If you don't like kenanga, go with versa. No one is forcing you to put your money into KDI. For me it's the best MMF cause I can get my money on the same day. Not many MMF can do that. 3.5%p.a is decent. Nothing to shout home about.
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As Xander2k8 puts it, tongkat and cronism is in play, and list Gamuda remaining as making money.
I heard Public Mutual had lots of top performers and EPF allowed but today so few mention of them.

As I've put it, I was neither for or against Kenanga, and look to sifus' for guidance.
Thank you for the recommendation. Yes, I am impress by KDI Save's liquidity.

QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 19 2023, 04:23 PM)
Not royalty dump but forced into partnership with maximum 30% thanks to Tongkat rule 🤦‍♀️ Remember royalty just siphoned others while not knowing how to run a business as you can tell with many solid overseas brand name destroyed by them in Malaysia 🤦‍♀️ the only royalty run company currently that is making good money is Gamuda

The company is credible and solid just the management is still Tongkat and old skool and headed by royalty in the board hence they move very slow while trying to transform as typical Malaysians companies does
As long as their licensed with SC and BNM approval it is ultra safe to have money in their products as it would be regulated and no hanky panky
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Thank you for the insight.
Since the China Hustle, still unresolved until today, SC, I take with a bag of salt.
As for BNM, news reports that they knew about 1MDB and did nothing about it.

PMX is welcome change but the closets remains, who know what skeletons left.
That's why I learn from sifus' of LYN Finance when I can find time to read.
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post Apr 22 2023, 05:28 PM

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Versa fees and promo rates sounds like fatten piggy and later slaughter.

How do KDI make money from KDI Save ?
I understand business is to make money.
I wish KDI and Versa could spell these out clearly.
I dig through Versa and can't find clearly so I focus on KDI.
I dig through KDI Save's T&C unable to find what KDI charge / make money.
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post Jun 21 2023, 06:11 PM

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Expecting all time high retracement / decline
Then maybe check out Monday for entry.
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post Jun 23 2023, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(CommodoreAmiga @ Jun 23 2023, 06:06 PM)
I am conservative, would rather wait pullback to a reasonable support level before entering again.
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Good!
That's why I said, check out on Monday for (possible) entry, not definite entry.

 

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