very true. a lot of experienced bodybuilder find these muscletech BSN stuff rubbish. not if the bodybuilder if sponsored by them LOL

Not very tall. 5'5"
In my avatar my weight was only 61kg. now at 69kg not as lean.

The best "supplement" of all, clean carbs and lots of chicken breast, lean beef, eggs, milk, fish!
without these staples, the best supplement can only do so much...

one of my fren who r into body building say this Nitrotech hardcore really good which has double effect than those normal whey. he ask me must test out.

muscletech = expensive stoof

well,.... that's their impression to me

nitrotech hardcore tastes like fuck...
tried it before, gave to pizzaboy. ask him.

This post has been edited by King83: Oct 27 2007, 08:29 PM

my supps stash? all cheap stuffs la...

MUSCLETECH Hydroxycut Hardcore
CYTOSPORT Muscle Milk
UNIVERSAL Animal Pak

btw, im cutting hardcore now. 1 month edi. 3 months more to go.

Muscle milk too high calorie for cutting try something with bout 125kcal per serving like ON's, u know, if you are taking several servings per day the balance is hell lot

yea..the calorie is a tad too high..so, that's why i take only 1 scoop b4 n 1 scoop after with juz plain water, not milk..btw, reason i choose muscle milk is because of its fat burning effect..my bf% isnt going down wit juz my fatburners but it seems adding muscle milk to the diet did help..

Anyone taking Animal Flex ?

What's the best price that you all are getting now?

Went to Egonutritions today, it seems that no more 20% discount for Animal Flex although stated the promotion is until 31/10/07. The discount was for old stocks, new stocks doesn't have discount =(

you do know that Animal Flex is for ur joints, cartilage, ryte? got alot of other options. Glucosamine and stuffs. google them.

I'm currently on GNC Triflex.
Just decided to switch recently after seeing Animal Flex's nutrition facts.

hhmm.. i m a lil bit confuse which supplements i should choose.. im trying to gain weight and build size..i take supplmts before this and its almost empty (but got bloated somehow; guz need to do cardio unfortunately no changes to my chest area although i do lots of bench press).. im planning to get new suppls and would like to hav Optimum supplements product..

Problem is there are lots of optimum product and i would like to know which product i should take to gain size, muslcle and weight... please advise thanks .. im trying to workout my chest area; do bench press, fying chest press (dont remember the name) and push up..but for 2 months nothing change

Maybe it's not the nutrition... maybe it's your training.
maybe your arms are too strong, that's why it's taking the load everytime u bench instead of your chest.

you can opt for wider grip when benching...
or can you try this...



Green area generally requires more tricep strength to push and blue area requires more chest power.
So you're going to do this, lower down the barbell fully until it touches your chest, the push it halfway up till the top of the blue line,
lower it down again, and push it back up fully till the top of the green line. That is 1 rep.

by doing this, you're putting more load on your chest and ur dominant muscle (arms) won't be able to take the load off the weaker muscle (ur chest).
Also, don't forget to include dumbbell pullovers as one of your chest exercises.

pull over is a lats isolation exercise =.=

Lats AND Chest...
that makes it a compound.

oh. barbell pullover is lats isolation.. dumbbell aint. lol my bad

why? cos barbell wider grip ?

dumbbell straight arm pullover = chest
barbell pullover = lats

buat semua

its a waist of time. pullover are meant for pre-exhaution

i have another alternative which works for me - machine bench press. i know free weight > machine , but the machine really isolate out my chest muscles. i can feel the difference in contraction during pressing up and more importantly i got visible gain in chest.