It depends on individual what they think they are cleaning, if they think they are cleaning masjid, then they are cleaning masjid, if they think they are cleaning a place, then that's just another place. If they don't believe, then they not believer.
For noon Muslim who cleaning masjid, they don't see it as cleaning a masjid, they not expecting any honor doing it or score any religion merits. They just thought of cleaning a place.
I help cleaning up temple before, but it don't change my stance as atheist and i don't believe in God. I'm just cleaning another statue made of porcelain. I don't pray after cleaning it.
no. thats not how educated, methodological thinking works.
islam is a religion developed and revised by scholars.
if everything can be excused by "good-thoughts" then whats stopping prostitution, drugs, and homosexuality?
where is the form and structure? society, especially a religious ones, cannot live with chaos.
Kalau orang tu nak berzina, dalam kereta jugak diorang boleh buat, iainya tak terhad pada pawagam sahaja. Hal agama ni adalah hal seseorang individu dengan tuhan dia. Mengapa yang lain sibuk sangat nak kawal?
Ni pointnya, nak kawal. Agama yang mengawal ini sesuai digunakkan oleh negara yang bersifat kleptokrat. Diorang nak mengawal warganegara diorang. Kenapa banyak disini reject komunis cina? Sebab mereka pun mengawal. Nak main pc game pun tak boleh, steam dikasi banned.
Cuba tengok indonesia, diorang liberal bab bab agama. Extremist ada jugak, tapi negara mereka ni dijatuhkan oleh para extremist (Aceh, masih ingat lagi tak?). Banyak lagi negara yang dijatuhkan oleh para extremist , kenapa tak belajar dari kesilapan negara negara ni? Tendang keluar extremist extremist ni. Diorang tunggang agama je, malukan agama, bukan agungkan agama.
Cuba tengok ni, ni islam ke? Siapa yang dia bunuh? Amerika? Bukan, yang dia bunuh tu bangsa dia, agama dia jugak.
Ni video dari sudut pandangan opponent/ lawan mereka
Siapa yang kamu nampak? Orang kafir amerika? Bukan, tapi sebaliknya ialah orang yang sama bangsa, sama agama dengan pengebom berani mati yang disesatkan oleh extremist.
kamu ni mesti tak belajar agama.
suicide bomber tu cerita lain.
sufism ada extreme. salafi pun ada extreme. ibnu taimiyah pun orang kata extreme tapi kalau baca kitab2 dia orang liberal pun tak percaya.
extremism dalam isis lain. gam di aceh pun lain.
you are making an idiot out of yourself if you simply generalized every one of them as the same extremism.thats what bigots do - stereotyping and generalizing.
I’ve been searching all day long for banks who can offer me RM10k loan, and i just need to pay RM8k back, and the bank gives me RM2k cashback.
Until today still cannot find.
Back to the topic at hand, i think it’s okay to go cuci cuci temple & tokong DURING the aftermath, because many people are badly affected. Many people are suffering and these kind cleaning activities really help a lot to ease the burden. Maybe those monks instructed to just cuci cuci the exterior area and not the deity statues, because i think those area are offlimits. Some more, those monks did helped muslim victims too. They don’t be selective on who they want to help ya? All extra helps are most welcome.
After the aftermath has subsided, no need for muslims to simply come to cuci cuci those places anymore la.
In conclusion, if you or UAI are not badly affected by the flood aftermath, i think you should STFU & instead go HELP the victims in the means of donating some money or go volunteering there yourself.
I am never in favour of UAI since last time, especially when he said it’s okay to use pirated software for our own use, that is made by the non muslims that waged war with muslim eg. The Jews. Isn’t that still considered STEALING?
Good luck answering to God later on why you use Intel-based CPU computer because 1 click of mouse = 1 bullet to kill a palestinian kid
bodohnya kamu ni. takde kena mengena dengan komen asal aku pun.
tolong la kekadang guna otak sendiri. God gave us all brain, and please use it to think.
Tak salah cuci rumah ibadat orang lain. Asalkan niat kau jusy utk menolong sesama manusia. Tak kacau akidah or iman kau. We live in a society, bukan dlm tempurung.
Fucking hell. Bunch of retards who say it is wrong to help other religion is fucking retard. We need to help each other.
So you need authority to tell you whether you can be a proper human and extend help to your fellow humans?
Does your religion/authority/mufti teaching you to forgo being a human being, in the name of religion? Religion > humanity? Pretty sure no religion teaches that.
we are talking about what kind of help here?
is it a life and death matter?
this is related to syirik. the biggest sin in islam.
and muslims are responsible against other muslims.
Bila Sikh kat Gurdwara Sahib Petaling Jaya gabung tenaga with Muslims tolong mangsa banjir isu menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat tak timbul.
But here it just about some Muslim kids helped cleaning temple suddenly you become prejudice until saying do they also need to cuci kuil time not banjir? Come on bro. We are in hard time now. Have a heart and understand the meaning of kindness. Not feeding off the bigotry and spread around hatred like this.
by that rationale, you think its ok for muslims to sell alcohol?
sufism ada extreme. salafi pun ada extreme. ibnu taimiyah pun orang kata extreme tapi kalau baca kitab2 dia orang liberal pun tak percaya.
extremism dalam isis lain. gam di aceh pun lain.
you are making an idiot out of yourself if you simply generalized every one of them as the same extremism.thats what bigots do - stereotyping and generalizing.
This guys cerita apa? Just randomly whack and destroy innocent non... So they are all extreamist Muslims? Are they all religious as they keep shouting... Ahem
no. thats not how educated, methodological thinking works.
islam is a religion developed and revised by scholars.
if everything can be excused by "good-thoughts" then whats stopping prostitution, drugs, and homosexuality?
where is the form and structure? society, especially a religious ones, cannot live with chaos.
That's how educated, methodological thinking work, that religion cannot stop prostitution, drug and homosexuality. You just making them goes underground if you forbids them.
And i tell you, no form of punishment will deter them from doing it.
Take drug trafficking for examples, heaviest punishment is death penalty. With that in mind, people still doing drug trafficking. Death also people don't scare, don't stop them from doing it and you assumed religion can?
You believe there is no prostitution in saudi arabia? Or just pretend it isn't happening? You know the meaning of hypocrisy right?
You talk about no one can live in chaos, i totally agree with you here but ask yourself this, what bring order to the society? Religion? Or law?
The way i see it, religion is the one started the chaos out of working systems. In France, people living in order protected by law, then those religion fanatic created chaos. Want to implement muslim law.
Did you see anyone go to saudi arabia wanted to create non religious law in saudi and creating chaos? No right?
QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 31 2021, 03:26 AM)
kamu ni mesti tak belajar agama.
suicide bomber tu cerita lain.
sufism ada extreme. salafi pun ada extreme. ibnu taimiyah pun orang kata extreme tapi kalau baca kitab2 dia orang liberal pun tak percaya.
extremism dalam isis lain. gam di aceh pun lain.
you are making an idiot out of yourself if you simply generalized every one of them as the same extremism.thats what bigots do - stereotyping and generalizing.
Itulah, nampak luaran. Cuba paham betul betul. Apa penyebabnya mereka berani mati? Bukan sebab agama. No no no.
I bagi lagi satu contoh, jepun. Apa penyebab kamikaze? Sayang negara? Bukan. Kita orang pun sayang negara, tapi kita orang takkan pi kamikaze.tepuk dada tanya diri. Jadi apa pendorong nya mereka kamikaze?
Ni jawapan kau
Brain washing sejak dari kecik kecik dan kepercayaan yang keterlaluan.
Ni sebab apa i bawak extremist dalam gambar, mana mana extremist pun sama. Mereka mempunyai kepercayaan yang keterlaluan dan kepercayaan ini bukan dari diri mereka sendiri, tapi ditanamkan pada mereka (mungkin sejak kecik) oleh pihak yang mempunyai kepentingan. Dalam erti kata yang lain, brainwashing.
Bila dah terlalu brainwash, fikiran mereka dah jadi sempit, mereka cuma percaya pada ilmu yang ditanamkan pada mereka, ilmu tu sahih atau tidak, itu lain cerita. Apa yang pasti, mereka percaya dan tiada benda yang boleh mengubah pandangan mereka.
Ini berbahaya pada masyarakat. Kat Malaysia, apa yang kita lihat? Komuniti macam kamu, kena tunggu arahan mufti. Ini maknanya, mereka dah tak fikir guna akal mereka sendiri.
Kamikaze sama, orang suruh pi mati, dia pi mati. Kalau dia guna akal dia untuk fikir, mungkin dia takkan buat.
Ni lagi satu contoh brainwashing mungkin akan lebih senang diterima kamu dan difahami, bagaimana cuci minda berlaku, dan keburukkannya pada masyarakat.
Bukan semua rugi, ada yang untung. Pemimpin duduk dalam office tu untung. Propaganda dicipta untuk basuh minda masyarakat dan mengguntungkan keluarga kim. Dah tentu, bukan semuanya bodoh, ada yang sedar, namun mereka tak boleh buat apa apa untuk menjatuhkan keluarga kim, sebab majority percaya , bilangan orang yang bodoh melebihi orang yang bijak. Dah terlambat.
Sebelum Malaysia terlambat, baik sedarkan masyarakat.
This post has been edited by wanted111who: Dec 31 2021, 05:42 AM
Sometimes i feel the Pakistanis or Afghanistan people living in Pakistan seem to be more tolerant and peaceful than Bangsawan over here.
Here sikit-sikit suka-suka refer to online Prophet said this and that. Everyone of them has different interpretations. This one said can help, another said cannot help. So actually it has actually create a different of opinions too for people. Spreading the religions through Tik-Tok seem to be so wrong in some way.
Its good to see people who help others without looking at race and religion. Unfortunately there are those who help selectively based on the lines of race and religion yet claim to be the most pious and righteous of them all but any form of positive impact towards the wellbeing of fellow human beings is minimal. Hence why i respect these NGO's more especially the Sikh community which has extended help to most victims without looking at race or religion. Unfortunately even during this tryong times there were those who know despite the food offered by the Sikhs being vegetarian is permissible or not.
tugas ulamak dan para scholars adalah menyediakan panduan atau guidelines.
kamu nak ikut atau tidak bukan persoalannya.
seperti yg aku dah kata awal2 tadi, kalau takde statement dari autoriti, kita proceed saja bantu apa yang sepatutnya.
dulu pun aku takde masalah dengan yoga. tapi lepas fatwa dikeluarkan jabatan mufti, baru aku faham kenapa ianya diharamkan. siapa yang nak teruskan terpulang. tapi pada fikiran aku, aku faham kenapa sebaiknya ia dijauhkan saja.
Lol metodologi agama pulak dah
Tak boleh revert balik kepada fundamental ajaran Islam? Iman yang kuat takkan terjejas dengan charity works, regardless of where you want to volunteer to help
Bang, Islam itu mudah, sekiranya ada mangsa2 yg terjejas, ko nak tunggu metodologi? Nak tunggu statement? Nak tunggu permission? Complicatednya islam awak
Bab kuil kena banjir, dalam keadaan darurat yg lepas, perlu guideline?
Kesiannya jadi muslim macam awak, sikit2 nak guideline, sikit2 nak tunggu fatwa…macam takde prinsip dan kurang iman
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