another idiot didnt understand my post.

pls read carefully before replying.

im not your punching bag. 

Sometimes i feel the Pakistanis or Afghanistan people living in Pakistan seem to be more tolerant and peaceful than Bangsawan over here.

Here sikit-sikit suka-suka refer to online Prophet said this and that. Everyone of them has different interpretations. This one said can help, another said cannot help. So actually it has actually create a different of opinions too for people. Spreading the religions through Tik-Tok seem to be so wrong in some way.

kamu ni tak paham metodologi agama.

tugas ulamak dan para scholars adalah menyediakan panduan atau guidelines.

kamu nak ikut atau tidak bukan persoalannya.

seperti yg aku dah kata awal2 tadi, kalau takde statement dari autoriti, kita proceed saja bantu apa yang sepatutnya.

dulu pun aku takde masalah dengan yoga. tapi lepas fatwa dikeluarkan jabatan mufti, baru aku faham kenapa ianya diharamkan. siapa yang nak teruskan terpulang. tapi pada fikiran aku, aku faham kenapa sebaiknya ia dijauhkan saja.

kamu ni tak paham metodologi agama.

tugas ulamak dan para scholars adalah menyediakan panduan atau guidelines.

kamu nak ikut atau tidak bukan persoalannya.

seperti yg aku dah kata awal2 tadi, kalau takde statement dari autoriti, kita proceed saja bantu apa yang sepatutnya.

dulu pun aku takde masalah dengan yoga. tapi lepas fatwa dikeluarkan jabatan mufti, baru aku faham kenapa ianya diharamkan. siapa yang nak teruskan terpulang. tapi pada fikiran aku, aku faham kenapa sebaiknya ia dijauhkan saja.

Org yg bijak dia tgk pada konteks. Ni lagi satu contob fikiran batiniah. Walaupun ada asal usul ketuhanan, tp zaman hari ni yoga diamalkan kerana faktor kesihatan. Ada kau tgk org amal yoga pasal nak Buat ibadat? Almost none.

Lebih2 lagi secaea saintifik, yoga ni menyihatkan. Malahan ideal utk org tua yg perlukan kurang aggresif.

Tp ni masalah bila tak tgk konteks. Tgk benda secaea literal semata2 Dan tgk secara batiniah.

Ulama.... Please lah.  Salah satu tanda akhir zaman ialah Allah angkat ilmu ulama. So basically dah berlaku....sampai kan bekamn Dan kencing unta pun dianjurkan amalan nabi. Ni dah cukup bukti, ilmu sudah diangkat. Kau nak tunggu sampai bila utk terima kenyataan ni? Geng ruwaibidyah pun dah wujud.... Apatahblagi Geng penunggang agama, ulama jahat Dan ilmu diangkat. Benda ni dah berlakh depan mata dah. Kita je tak nak mengaku

I agree.. like meditation, many meditation are related and pioneered by religion like Buddhism, Hinduism.

But now it's mostly for health. Even sufism incorporated meditation.

Just because Buddhism promoted meditation doesn't mean meditation is Buddhism.

Newton is staunch christian. Doesn't mean believing in 3 physics laws is believing in Christianity.

Separate the yoga for what it is with the religion

In its place arose the anti-rationalist Ash’ari school whose increasing dominance is linked to the decline of Arabic science. With the rise of the Ash’arites, the ethos in the Islamic world was increasingly opposed to original scholarship and any scientific inquiry that did not directly aid in religious regulation of private and public life. While the Mu’tazilites had contended that the Koran was created and so God’s purpose for man must be interpreted through reason, the Ash’arites believed the Koran to be coeval with God — and therefore unchallengeable. At the heart of Ash’ari metaphysics is the idea of occasionalism, a doctrine that denies natural causality. Put simply, it suggests natural necessity cannot exist because God’s will is completely free. Ash’arites believed that God is the only cause, so that the world is a series of discrete physical events each willed by God.

The Ash’ari view has endured to this day. Its most extreme form can be seen in some sects of Islamists. For example, Mohammed Yusuf, the late leader of a group called the Nigerian Taliban, explained why “Western education is a sin” by explaining its view on rain: “We believe it is a creation of God rather than an evaporation caused by the sun that condenses and becomes rain.” The Ash’ari view is also evident when Islamic leaders attribute natural disasters to God’s vengeance, as they did when they said that the 2010 eruption of Iceland’s Eyjafjallajökull volcano was the result of God’s anger at immodestly dressed women in Europe. Such inferences sound crazy to Western ears, but given their frequency in the Muslim world, they must sound at least a little less crazy to Muslims. As Robert R. Reilly argues in The Closing of the Muslim Mind (2010), “the fatal disconnect between the creator and the mind of his creature is the source of Sunni Islam’s most profound woes.”

Orang goyang telur datang lagi dengam ceramah dia

He’s exactly on point

You are the one who’s missing the point

Kind hearted muslims exist, and they don’t subscribe to these preachers’ opinions on this issue

Too technical to explain....n the long version that i have explain thing before is gone

Simplify to say, which can be practice in all kind of knowledge

Hypothesis = assumption , it is the result of one observation. It will remain as an assumption until it is proven by a verified tool. This tool can be form of establish method, like math, history, science, statistic. Tool also can be equate as knowledge

Fact = something that has been verified and supported by established methodology. If we want to challenge this fact, therefore we need to argue on the tool, what method they use, is there a faulty in the data collection, analysis

Tool or knowledge = it is establish form of method, statement that can be use to draw a line n to decide which is truth n which is false

Example A given

Assumption / hypothesis
I believe that the earth is flat, because the ship that travel in front of me, has been missing.

Any tool that can help verified this or support this? none. It remains as hypothesis / assumptioon

Example B given

Assumption / hypothesis
I believe that the earth is round

Tool used
Mathematic, geographic knowledge

So, it is already verified, therefore earth is round is a fact
Going back to kencing unta arguement
"Some Bedouin from 'Uraynah came to the Prophet of Allah [SAW] and accepted Islam, but the climate of Al-Madinah did not suit them; their skin turned yellow and their bellies became swollen. The Prophet of Allah sent them to some milk camels of his and told them to drink their milk and urine until they recovered.”

Sunan al-Nasa’i (4035)

Hypothesis
Prophet encouraged muslim to drink camel urine

Tool use, what to support or verified this?
Any additional hadith support this - NO, this is the only hadith mention about drinking urine
What history of medicine told about this - urine therapy has been established way far beyond in human history
What science tell us benefit of urine - none

So , because there are history to show that urine has been used so far as therapy in human history even before prophet time, it is wrongly to assume that the prophet has recommended the practice of urine drinking

A wise man say, a smart and intelligent people are people who is able to think based on the context

Clearly we can see that the prophet is simply a normal man. He is simply practice it because that was what medicine being practide during that time. That practice is not something new, it is even long long time ago. Even if u look at the narration, it is simply a witness account of what happen. the prophet never say oo muslim, or muslim must etc..etc..

If the prophet do really mean it to be recommended or practice, based on obse5rvation , the prophet will stress the matter many many time. Therefore there will be more hadith to support it. Meanwhile, only 1 hadith exist, means it is simply a witness account of an event, nothing more

SO WHAT HAPPEN, why some scholar stick that urine is recommending
Because they simply refuse to think.
Because as u can see....nothing actually can verified or support that prophet recommending drinking urine. As mentioned early, if a statement cant be verfiried, or supported by any means, it will remains as assumption. Even current knowledge has been totally agaisnt it. But unfortunately, muslim nowaday dont trust science, whcih is unfortunate

This is how i decide what truth or false. It is an universal concept. Fact or truth is something that able to verified abd support. Therefore, if u want to challenge any fact, u must go through the tool / method used to draw up that facts

by that rationale, you think its ok for muslims to sell alcohol?

its not like they drink it. sell only what.