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post Dec 30 2021, 07:28 PM

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QUOTE(hotdayum @ Dec 30 2021, 07:26 PM)
He said the Prophet Muhammad honored the grave of the person who had been cleaning the mosque.

Then he said to not join the cleaning of temple. It separates those who have iman and those who don't, according to him.
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He’s projecting two different things

I am sure our Prophet would encourage muslims to help others that are in need of help, regardless of religion or race
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post Dec 30 2021, 07:40 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:30 PM)


ustaz ni yang agak wahabi/salafi pun melarang perbuatan mencuci rumah ibadah agama lain.

kalau ulamak pondok melarang, ulamak wahabi pun melarang, aku tak tahu nak kata apa lagi.

dalam hal ni aku lagi suka kalau kita tunggu fatwa mufti. malangnya masih belum ada apa2 statement dari jabatan mufti perlis (walaupun perlis agak wahabi).

pada orang awam macam kita yang masih ragu2, tambahan pula dalam keadaan darurat macam ni, teruskan sajalah. kita tawakal saja kerana autoriti sendiri belum ada guideline yang jelas.
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That’s only his opinion, and most of his dalils because of the fear of committing syirik

As long as you are doing charity work, and your beliefs in Islam is strong, continue to do so la

Btw penang mufti did clarify a few things, which I believe is correct

https://worldofbuzz.com/muslims-cleaning-te...void-confusion/

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post Dec 30 2021, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 07:42 PM)
depends on the context. do you think the prophet will encourage same sex marriage if it promotes love and harmony?
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You are shifting the goalposts and that issue is entirely different than this

But to answer your question, no he will not encourage that lifestyle, but he won’t condemn them like what some people are doing now, he would encourage muslims to pray for them, and do charitable works that might help everyone, even for those LGBT people
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post Dec 30 2021, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(yugimudo @ Dec 30 2021, 08:49 PM)
Bersihkan rumah ibadat org bukan Islam mana jatuh syirik oiiiii.

Syirik ni kata dasar di syaraka atau bm dia lebih dari satu.

Camner ko pegang mop kat kuil atau gereja tetiba jadi perbuatan menyekutukan Allah?

Jangan membingaikan akal fikiran.
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Pegang mop sapu kuil auto murtad kot utk dia

Takpala biar puak2 tu rasa macam diri dorang tak kuat pegang agama, sbb bila benda2 mcm ni terus nak petik dalil tu dalil ni utk kuatkan justifikasi tak nak tolong non muslim

Luckily I don’t subscribe to that kind of Islam
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post Dec 30 2021, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 30 2021, 10:11 PM)
itu bukan pointnya.

bila kerajaan PAS kelantan melarang lampu ditutup di dalam panggung dan memisahkan pengunjung lelaki dan wanita, keputusan tersebut dibuat atas alasan untuk menjauhi zina. zina tidak boleh dilarang bila dah dalam bilik sendiri. sebab tu diperlukan 4 saksi untuk pertuduhan zina.

rasionalnya adalah untuk menjauhi perbuatan yang menjurus kemaksiatan.

aku paham cuci kuil atas dasar membantu mangsa banjir. tapi jika kita benarkan saja tanpa statement dari autoriti, dibimbangi adakah boleh juga mencuci kuil jika tidak banjir? ia menimbulkan chain of reaction dan "precedent case" yang menimbulkan kegelisahan masyarakat.
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ini la bahayanya kalau terlampau nak control suatu benda

bang, isu disini cuci bagi bersih sebab banjir, bukan cuci suka2 hati...yang ko dok melalut sampai nak cakap "precedent case" tu memang tak masuk akal la dan menjurus kepada senario yang melebih2, dan lebih kepada nak act holier than thou.

Do muslims in this country really need the authority to give them permissions to do kindness? In this case, a charity act of cleaning a temple? Perlu ke? Jiran ko non-muslim minta tolong, ko cakap kat dia 'oh sorry saya perlu permission dari jabatan agama untuk tolong anda, nanti kalau saya tolong saya tak nak jadi precedent case pula"

jangan pula ada orang kata 'certain muslims can't think for themselves as if they don't have hearts nor brains'
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post Dec 31 2021, 08:16 AM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 31 2021, 03:16 AM)
kamu ni tak paham metodologi agama.

tugas ulamak dan para scholars adalah menyediakan panduan atau guidelines.

kamu nak ikut atau tidak bukan persoalannya.

seperti yg aku dah kata awal2 tadi, kalau takde statement dari autoriti, kita proceed saja bantu apa yang sepatutnya.

dulu pun aku takde masalah dengan yoga. tapi lepas fatwa dikeluarkan jabatan mufti, baru aku faham kenapa ianya diharamkan. siapa yang nak teruskan terpulang. tapi pada fikiran aku, aku faham kenapa sebaiknya ia dijauhkan saja.
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Lol metodologi agama pulak dah

Tak boleh revert balik kepada fundamental ajaran Islam? Iman yang kuat takkan terjejas dengan charity works, regardless of where you want to volunteer to help

Bang, Islam itu mudah, sekiranya ada mangsa2 yg terjejas, ko nak tunggu metodologi? Nak tunggu statement? Nak tunggu permission? Complicatednya islam awak

Bab kuil kena banjir, dalam keadaan darurat yg lepas, perlu guideline?

Kesiannya jadi muslim macam awak, sikit2 nak guideline, sikit2 nak tunggu fatwa…macam takde prinsip dan kurang iman
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post Dec 31 2021, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(Azran1979 @ Dec 31 2021, 03:32 AM)
another idiot didnt understand my post.

pls read carefully before replying.

im not your punching bag.  laugh.gif
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He’s exactly on point

You are the one who’s missing the point

Kind hearted muslims exist, and they don’t subscribe to these preachers’ opinions on this issue
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post Dec 31 2021, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(xenith @ Dec 31 2021, 06:08 AM)
Sometimes i feel the Pakistanis or Afghanistan people living in Pakistan seem to be more tolerant and peaceful than Bangsawan over here.

Here sikit-sikit suka-suka refer to online Prophet said this and that. Everyone of them has different interpretations. This one said can help, another said cannot help. So actually it has actually create a different of opinions too for people. Spreading the religions through Tik-Tok seem to be so wrong in some way.
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That’s why in some states (or maybe every state in malaysia), if you want to be an islamic preacher, you need a license. Even more so in this day and age where a preacher can influence thousands or millions by saying it’s haram to wish xmas..haram this haram that…without delving much, or ignore the effects into the consequences of those actions that would hurt other people and religions.

The Prophet taught muslims to love one another, especially those who are poor and in need, regardless of their religion. Because when we do that, it’ll not only build a better and stronger community, but it’ll also will bring muslims closer to Allah.

“The Prophet s.a.w. taught us that indeed, a society that loves one another and takes care of each other is a society that is strong and cohesive. In a world where there is a proliferation of hate and enmity, as followers of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w, let us re-establish this golden rule as a basis of our relationship with others.”

Seems like extremists and some muslims without brains forget about this easily.

 

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