Yea I have colleagues using old mbp too and still going strong now so they have no plans to upgrade.. some initially waited for this redesign 14" but when the price tag goes 8.8k for base model, they decided to skip as well..quite steep imp but if look into all the goodies they put into this, then it's reasonable..

just waiting for the reviews to come out on how much performance the M1 Pro / Max actually provides for real world software.

also does anyone have info on the IP rating ? Main reason I'm using a Thinkpad is for it's basic dust/water protection.

2015...? Seriously...?  :confused:   

You guys should have your eyes examined... 

This 2021 bottom looks more like the original MacBook Pro/old PowerBook G4 bottoms before the unibody designs.

2008 onwards up until 2015 has a much more tapered-edged bottom corners until Jony Ive screwed the design up with his thinness obsession...

For all it's worth I prefer the previous 2008-2015 design...

The 2021 design is hideous especially with the stands (legs whatever you wanna call it) jutting out from the bottom... Jobs and Ive will never have approved... It's a good thing they didn't follow the iPhone/iPad squarish design thru and thru... There are things that look nicer on smaller things, doesn't mean the same design language speaks the same elegance on larger items...

In short, another boring design for the next 5 years or more... 

Yalor, when i see it i also surprised why they use back the old design. But good also lah, at least it is their own design, not the copy from existing windows laptop.

I love it that they reintroduce the HDMI port back to the MacBook.

A lot of my senior-colleagues uses the 2017 MacBook Pro 15" and they would often complain the lack of HDMI and how the HDMI-adapter would fail them during critical troubleshooting time.

Yea I have colleagues using old mbp too and still going strong now so they have no plans to upgrade.. some initially waited for this redesign 14" but when the price tag goes 8.8k for base model, they decided to skip as well..quite steep imp but if look into all the goodies they put into this, then it's reasonable..

My choice would be the MBP 14 M1 Max 1TB SSD & 32GB RAM at 13999. Just dreaming though 🥲.

Real world software? Already have the M1 chip as example already. What do you think?

agree, it's reasonable for such powerful packed.

but whether you need it or not is another question.

agree, the 13" MBP M1 is good enough for most tasks to be honest, unless you're planning out for some future proof specs and dont mind to splurge the additional $$

The same spec that I had my eye on. Probably would get somewhere along with those specs, if I find a need for the MBP hahaha. Currently have no use for one hahaha

Yea I have colleagues using old mbp too and still going strong now so they have no plans to upgrade.. some initially waited for this redesign 14" but when the price tag goes 8.8k for base model, they decided to skip as well..quite steep imp but if look into all the goodies they put into this, then it's reasonable..

hmmm, it's a personal choice, if i dont need it now (more for future proof reason), i would prefer to save the money up front, go with m1 only.

4-5 years down the road, they will definitely have something better and thus making the "better than M1 chip" version cheaper too.

but again, that's my personal preference.

for a light user like myself, no regret getting the MBA M1 version last month 

won't really need to upgrade easily for the next 5 years, for the tasks that i'm doing on my mba.

I'm still hesitating... Am using a mbp 13" 2017 with i5 8gb ram and 512gb storage. I usually just use my laptop to for excel + ppt + PS AI LR to create posters and to edit photos + web browsing.

Although my current mbp is good enough to fulfill my needs, it has been giving me a lot of problems like the stage light effect and the butterfly-keyboard issues since 2 years ago. I've changed the top case and screen twice but the problems just come back from time to time.

If you guys were in my shoes, would you change to 14" mbp or just stick to the 2017 mbp?

I would suggest getting a 2015 15" i7 MBP. The used price is very reasonable now. The base config has 16GB RAM. It is more than enough for your needs and it is built like a tank. The 2 USB ports, SDXC slot and HDMI port is so so convenient. No issues with display / keyboard like the later MBPs. Just clean the fans, replace the thermal paste, and you're good to go.

I'm still hesitating... Am using a mbp 13" 2017 with i5 8gb ram and 512gb storage. I usually just use my laptop to for excel + ppt + PS AI LR to create posters and to edit photos + web browsing.

Although my current mbp is good enough to fulfill my needs, it has been giving me a lot of problems like the stage light effect and the butterfly-keyboard issues since 2 years ago. I've changed the top case and screen twice but the problems just come back from time to time.

If you guys were in my shoes, would you change to 14" mbp or just stick to the 2017 mbp?

If I'm you, since it's time to change ill go for non Intel ones for many obvious reasons, if budget is an issue then get M1.. If no budget issue then M1 Pro... Both also good choices...