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Want to catch fake pay slip, How to catch fake pay slip
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SUSjvcpcv55
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Oct 6 2021, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 4 2021, 10:03 PM) My company is hiring 2 people and the salary slip they showed shows a very high pay. Now, I know from another mutual friend in the previous company that these 2 guys are working from that their salary is probably 35% less. I actually called up KWSP / EPF to find out based on their EPF number and SOCSO number however they refused to let my HR team get the previous information about this. How can I make a report to get KWSP / EPF to give me historical information on their previous salary? I was thinking of asking my friend who works in an MNC to try submit their documents saying that he wants to hire them and that he wants to do a background check. Since he works in a well established MNC, I was wondering if KWSP / EPF will disclose this information. Thank you. your company hired people based on past experiences, not based on past salary, if your company cannot pay the salary, then don't hire. and your action might put your company in hot soup under personal data protection This post has been edited by jvcpcv55: Oct 6 2021, 09:10 PM
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TSroyrockerfella
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Oct 6 2021, 09:24 PM
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QUOTE(lightning_azure @ Oct 6 2021, 07:02 PM) omg, as if honesty about payslips is really that important than job performance. seriously what position ts is looking to fill? if it is sales or call center, then ts should really hire them since ts is so fixated on their lies. lying is also a skill. My question is simple, how do you catch ones who lie about their previous job to get a better one. Just because you don't have integrity doesn't mean others shouldn't too. If you lie about your payslip, that would say a lot about how you would also be on the job.
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TSroyrockerfella
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Oct 6 2021, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(jvcpcv55 @ Oct 6 2021, 09:08 PM) your company hired people based on past experiences, not based on past salary, if your company cannot pay the salary, then don't hire. and your action might put your company in hot soup under personal data protection Yes, your salary say a lot about your past experience. You just shot yourself in your foot. If you work for a company for 15 years and you have been receiving the same salary then it tells me that you are not capable. If you tell me you are really that damn good then if you had a low pay and didn't get what you wanted in terms of a salary you would leave the company. Don't tell me you will stay for 10 years with the same RM 1.5 then come out and say you are worth 10k. Come on. It would help if you actually thought about this at a deeper level and not just write bs here.
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holypredator
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Oct 6 2021, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 09:28 PM) Yes, your salary say a lot about your past experience. You just shot yourself in your foot. If you work for a company for 15 years and you have been receiving the same salary then it tells me that you are not capable. If you tell me you are really that damn good then if you had a low pay and didn't get what you wanted in terms of a salary you would leave the company. Don't tell me you will stay for 10 years with the same RM 1.5 then come out and say you are worth 10k. Come on. It would help if you actually thought about this at a deeper level and not just write bs here. Has the fact that not all companies have similar pay structure comes to your mind?? Has the fact that some smaller companies don't pay too well compared to larger companies?? Has the fact that some people were not lucky that they were not the blue eyed boy/girl of the bosses in the company when nepotism in Malaysia is rampant not comes to your mind?? If you are the owner/higher management of the company... I hope you continue leaning onto your current mindset... can't wait to see your company get screwed over like how it did to my previous company.... This post has been edited by holypredator: Oct 6 2021, 09:37 PM
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TSroyrockerfella
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Oct 6 2021, 09:37 PM
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QUOTE(Seager @ Oct 6 2021, 05:31 PM) Then don't hire. Sit and whine. How to be high income nation like that? SG fresh grad earning almost RM10k easily. Here with 3 years experience also still got sohai offer RM3k. So how? HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH Did you actually compare the currency exchange and say that our starting salary should be RM 10k. Why not compare to pounds? We should be getting RM 15k. I think you need to understand how currency works. It's a dollar to dollar ratio. By the way, I also think you need to really look at the stats. I really think you don't know what the exact starting salary in SG is. It stands at SGD 3.8k which is slightly more than MY. You also need to know that their education as whole is completely different. You need to get your facts right. Rempit dumbasses here will say they want RM 3.8k too but would you hire?
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Seager
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Oct 6 2021, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 09:37 PM) HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH Did you actually compare the currency exchange and say that our starting salary should be RM 10k. Why not compare to pounds? We should be getting RM 15k. I think you need to understand how currency works. It's a dollar to dollar ratio. By the way, I also think you need to really look at the stats. I really think you don't know what the exact starting salary in SG is. It stands at SGD 3.8k which is slightly more than MY. You also need to know that their education as whole is completely different. You need to get your facts right. Rempit dumbasses here will say they want RM 3.8k too but would you hire? Why not? You expect our starting salary to stay below 3k for how long? Fresh grads now even getting almost 2k happy already cause of low ballers like you. How to progress? Look at how long people in SG has to work to pay for a meal, and how much graduates in Malaysia have to. But oh wait, you aren't even Malaysian so wtf would you know. If rempit outside, but professional and competent in office, why not? My IT guy is like this, most competent fucker I know. Deserves all praise and better salary but how? Company is shit, he wanna move also susah keep getting low balled by asshats like you.
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fath82
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Oct 6 2021, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 09:24 PM) My question is simple, how do you catch ones who lie about their previous job to get a better one. Just because you don't have integrity doesn't mean others shouldn't too. If you lie about your payslip, that would say a lot about how you would also be on the job. h Bro big company/bank they hire professional service to do background checking, if your company cannot afford that you can use 3rd party recruiter, if cannot afford that also I suggest stop emphasize on the background but more on their skill (this one you need to test during interview).
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Pugface
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Oct 6 2021, 09:49 PM
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I am also a corporate slave.. I also dislike being low balled by HR. I had fair share of negative experience with HR.
But why so much hate on TS for asking this? Its the HR job to verify background check. Probably need candidate to consent with a form then agree to submit past data. If candidate dont agree, then part ways je la.
Why so many people bashing TS ah? To be fair i only read first page la lol
Banking check data up to past 7 years. Need angkat sumpah details provided are truth. Then you all how ah so secretive
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TSroyrockerfella
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Oct 6 2021, 10:15 PM
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QUOTE(Seager @ Oct 6 2021, 09:43 PM) Why not? You expect our starting salary to stay below 3k for how long? Fresh grads now even getting almost 2k happy already cause of low ballers like you. How to progress? Look at how long people in SG has to work to pay for a meal, and how much graduates in Malaysia have to. But oh wait, you aren't even Malaysian so wtf would you know. If rempit outside, but professional and competent in office, why not? My IT guy is like this, most competent fucker I know. Deserves all praise and better salary but how? Company is shit, he wanna move also susah keep getting low balled by asshats like you. Ah, you must be a smartass. It's pretty obvious you don't know how a company operates and works. There are salary scales within any job scope so it depends on the company and how their systems are built. You don't seem like someone who's familiar with a whole lot of things. You do know that salary also has a lot to do with the economy right? You do know why some countries have a minimum wage of USD 1 - USD 5 a day right? Wait, you don't. You don't understand economics. If your IT guy is that great then he should freaking leave and get a better offer outside. This is the bloody problem with asses like your IT guy. If he knows he's not getting what he want then what does he plan to do? Stay there and freaking whine 10 years later saying that he deserves RM 20k then when he has been having the same salary since day 1? If he has moved around a few times he would be getting something much better no? Keep doing the same damn thing and then you expect different results. Then he would also be one of the guys who would probably need to lie about how much he's getting in years to come because he's not currently getting what he wants.
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TSroyrockerfella
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Oct 6 2021, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(Pugface @ Oct 6 2021, 09:49 PM) I am also a corporate slave.. I also dislike being low balled by HR. I had fair share of negative experience with HR. But why so much hate on TS for asking this? Its the HR job to verify background check. Probably need candidate to consent with a form then agree to submit past data. If candidate dont agree, then part ways je la. Why so many people bashing TS ah? To be fair i only read first page la lol Banking check data up to past 7 years. Need angkat sumpah details provided are truth. Then you all how ah so secretive People have to bash me up because wimps can't handle the truth as to how the system works and how much they are worth. It's sad to see so many saying it's okay to lie about stuff like this. If their salary is low, they need to do something about it and that something is not faking documents and lying. Oh well, these are some of the people we have around today.
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Seager
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Oct 6 2021, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 10:15 PM) Ah, you must be a smartass. It's pretty obvious you don't know how a company operates and works. There are salary scales within any job scope so it depends on the company and how their systems are built. You don't seem like someone who's familiar with a whole lot of things. You do know that salary also has a lot to do with the economy right? You do know why some countries have a minimum wage of USD 1 - USD 5 a day right? Wait, you don't. You don't understand economics. If your IT guy is that great then he should freaking leave and get a better offer outside. This is the bloody problem with asses like your IT guy. If he knows he's not getting what he want then what does he plan to do? Stay there and freaking whine 10 years later saying that he deserves RM 20k then when he has been having the same salary since day 1? If he has moved around a few times he would be getting something much better no? Keep doing the same damn thing and then you expect different results. Then he would also be one of the guys who would probably need to lie about how much he's getting in years to come because he's not currently getting what he wants.  Yes yes yes you are right
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TSroyrockerfella
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Oct 6 2021, 10:21 PM
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QUOTE(Seager @ Oct 6 2021, 10:20 PM) Yes yes yes you are right Yes, I think it's enough.
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Seager
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Oct 6 2021, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 10:21 PM) Yes, I think it's enough. Yes yes you are doing the right thing.
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nearlee
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Oct 6 2021, 10:23 PM
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>topkek 36 pages Nearlee
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TSroyrockerfella
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Oct 6 2021, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(nearlee @ Oct 6 2021, 10:23 PM) Yes, it should have gone up till 50.
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shinoda_x
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Oct 6 2021, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 4 2021, 10:03 PM) My company is hiring 2 people and the salary slip they showed shows a very high pay. Now, I know from another mutual friend in the previous company that these 2 guys are working from that their salary is probably 35% less. I actually called up KWSP / EPF to find out based on their EPF number and SOCSO number however they refused to let my HR team get the previous information about this. How can I make a report to get KWSP / EPF to give me historical information on their previous salary? I was thinking of asking my friend who works in an MNC to try submit their documents saying that he wants to hire them and that he wants to do a background check. Since he works in a well established MNC, I was wondering if KWSP / EPF will disclose this information. Thank you. request their EA form
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kidmad
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Oct 6 2021, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 10:15 PM) Ah, you must be a smartass. It's pretty obvious you don't know how a company operates and works. There are salary scales within any job scope so it depends on the company and how their systems are built. You don't seem like someone who's familiar with a whole lot of things. You do know that salary also has a lot to do with the economy right? You do know why some countries have a minimum wage of USD 1 - USD 5 a day right? Wait, you don't. You don't understand economics. If your IT guy is that great then he should freaking leave and get a better offer outside. This is the bloody problem with asses like your IT guy. If he knows he's not getting what he want then what does he plan to do? Stay there and freaking whine 10 years later saying that he deserves RM 20k then when he has been having the same salary since day 1? If he has moved around a few times he would be getting something much better no? Keep doing the same damn thing and then you expect different results. Then he would also be one of the guys who would probably need to lie about how much he's getting in years to come because he's not currently getting what he wants.  just graduated not too long ago.. came into /k kpkb trying to teach the elites about economics. pfft. when your out from your well then only start talking. From all the points you have been trying to shove to us, your just going merry go round in a circle. Do wrong and never admit the kind of human which should not have existed in the world. period. Try to lowball ppl, now failed then trying to proof ppl cheated. the lowest kind of human are your kind.
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holypredator
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Oct 6 2021, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 10:17 PM) People have to bash me up because wimps can't handle the truth as to how the system works and how much they are worth. It's sad to see so many saying it's okay to lie about stuff like this. If their salary is low, they need to do something about it and that something is not faking documents and lying. Oh well, these are some of the people we have around today. People bash you up because you are stupid as shit
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SkyCaptain
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Oct 6 2021, 11:20 PM
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QUOTE(holypredator @ Oct 6 2021, 10:41 PM) People bash you up because you are stupid as shit  More like batshit crazy.
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knumskul
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Oct 7 2021, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(Pugface @ Oct 6 2021, 09:49 PM) I am also a corporate slave.. I also dislike being low balled by HR. I had fair share of negative experience with HR. But why so much hate on TS for asking this? Its the HR job to verify background check. Probably need candidate to consent with a form then agree to submit past data. If candidate dont agree, then part ways je la. Why so many people bashing TS ah? To be fair i only read first page la lol Banking check data up to past 7 years. Need angkat sumpah details provided are truth. Then you all how ah so secretive Well he seems to not want to part ways and want to check up on candidate without candidate's knowledge/agreement. Also asking his friend to do his dirty work. Wonder how he compensating his friend.
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