My company is hiring 2 people and the salary slip they showed shows a very high pay. Now, I know from another mutual friend in the previous company that these 2 guys are working from that their salary is probably 35% less. I actually called up KWSP / EPF to find out based on their EPF number and SOCSO number however they refused to let my HR team get the previous information about this. How can I make a report to get KWSP / EPF to give me historical information on their previous salary?

I was thinking of asking my friend who works in an MNC to try submit their documents saying that he wants to hire them and that he wants to do a background check. Since he works in a well established MNC, I was wondering if KWSP / EPF will disclose this information. Thank you.

get them to show you their bank statement?
or if its not a policy, u can offer them what you think its right.

anyway, if they have integrity issues like this why bother hiring..?

You should hire based on experience and qualification not past history..

many countries ban past salary slip checking

you aint going to get anything from kwsp yo

they have no obligation whatsoever to share anything to anyone other than the account holder him/herself

best you can do is call up their co's HR dept and verify the salary info with them directly

I don't want to judge them and just kick them to the curb. Of course, the information I am getting is from my mutual friend and I don't want to make assumptions because my friend could be wrong. These 2 guys do posses certain skillsets however the salary seems to be quite high. Am I allowed to ask for a bank statement? I have seen many saying that it is P&C.

Yes, but I think the pay slip is a good gauge to know what someone is capable off. Example, market rate: RM 20k however their past salaries are RM 7k. This could mean that they aren't the best candidates for the job. This is just an example but I think it's a good way to gauge the capabilities of someone.

My HR team called up. They did not want to disclose anything at all. They were very strict about this which is why I am also thinking of other methods.

unless the 2 companies got very good business relation, I dont think the HR will tell you anything just by a phone call.
anybody can call up a company to ask about payslip and nobody knows who behind the phone.

the only possible way you can search the company hiring ads, and maybe you can figure out the salary and re-calculate based on the years they work there.

Why don't just offer them what you think is right and what's the market rate for their exp and skill set?

Why does it have to be based on their past salaries? I cannot understand this.

If you think they are good, hire them. Pay them right.

fake salary slip or not actually is not important, good elite worker is hard to find nowadays.

If probation period can not fulfil the job requirement then just terminate enough.

If you sus them better not take them.

You know they will be 3 month probation?
If you feel they not up to your standard, just cut them off after 3 month.

ask them to provide epf or bank statement of salary credit as proof? just say for verification if they r innocent they will come clean.. they can cover up whatever other transactions and just show u the crediting amount

Eh bro
If you think they are good, just pay la
If you have doubt, then don't hire.. easy

Why you spoil market like this die2 Wanna lowball? You probably already know their salary expectation, and if you couldn't even make it back then, why even ask them come interview?

Top kek cinamen company style. U said they have skill but want to pay the cheapest pulak. Top kek

"Please, don't lowball us."- everyone who looking for a job.

EPF did a good here... data privacy don't disclose information to anyone except account holder.

i was just thinking.. can you reverse calculate their socso/ epf / tax from the payslip? or are they that smart to reinvent the whole thing?

there got a table la. why need reverse? LOL

You're lucky that you're in msia where you can be sloppy in acquiring and handling private data.....still you better check with a lawyer on this and hope that the candidates do not know the law. Acquiring private data without their consent and not through a legal compliant process is a criminal offense in many countries and could get you in trouble.

If you are are hiring manager, you should demonstrate some maturity here instead of playing stupid games like these. The objective at hand is if you want to hire the candidates based on your impression of the interview. If you want to hire, then it's a question of affordability, either you can give them a package that they are satisfied or you can't and you walk away and hire someone cheaper. What's the point of doing all these monkey business? In as much as you do all these nonsense, those 2 candidates can choose to walk away if they have options. It's supply and demand. They can jack up their rates and if the rates are too high for anyone in the market to afford them, they will eventually settle for less. You don't need to snoop around trough dubious questionable means.

It is also obvious that you have no idea how the big leagues play. MNCs have policies and more often than not are drafted in accordance to privacy laws of their respective countries of origin. To think that you could somehow get your friend to put his or her job on the line to commit such fraud is just laughable. Background checks of MNCs are outsourced to backcheck companies because if you mess this up, you can get really expensive lawsuits in the US, Canada, UK etc, that's why they get the professional companies to do it. To authorise a backcheck, the candidate file needs to be in the end of the hiring stage in the recruitment tool and it will cost the company for such a check.

If your friend is as stupid as you, then he'll inappropriately misrepresent his company with the intent to commit fraud by reaching out to EPF to acquire private information of some strangers. This is call social engineering and identity theft.......nice business you have got there.

This post has been edited by feynman: Oct 5 2021, 12:17 AM