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post Oct 4 2021, 10:11 PM

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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 4 2021, 10:03 PM)
My company is hiring 2 people and the salary slip they showed shows a very high pay. Now, I know from another mutual friend in the previous company that these 2 guys are working from that their salary is probably 35% less. I actually called up KWSP / EPF to find out based on their EPF number and SOCSO number however they refused to let my HR team get the previous information about this. How can I make a report to get KWSP / EPF to give me historical information on their previous salary?

I was thinking of asking my friend who works in an MNC to try submit their documents saying that he wants to hire them and that he wants to do a background check. Since he works in a well established MNC, I was wondering if KWSP / EPF will disclose this information. Thank you.
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You should hire based on experience and qualification not past history..

many countries ban past salary slip checking
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post Oct 5 2021, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 4 2021, 10:18 PM)
Yes, but I think the pay slip is a good gauge to know what someone is capable off. Example, market rate: RM 20k however their past salaries are RM 7k. This could mean that they aren't the best candidates for the job. This is just an example but I think it's a good way to gauge the capabilities of someone.
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That is literally the dumbest argument I've heard so far about hiring a person...

You might be hiring boot lickers if you think past salaries are a good gauge to how good a person performs.... I know a shit ton of people who got high salary and promotion really fast because he/she was the blue eye boy of the top people in their previous company.... however... once that "big tree" who provided shade for that person left.... he/she will be forced to find opportunity elsewhere.... they literally knew JACK SHIT and unqualified to hold high position...


same argument can be applied to people who are good but unlucky to have a low starting pay.... also... have you ever thought of what if their previous bosses treated them like shit?? stole their credit... refuse to promote them??? There are reasons why people want to leave and join another company....


Just ask yourself this 1 question.... WHY THE HELL would someone leave their existing company if their existing company is perfect??? by using the "salary" factor to gauge... you are literally either hiring a boot licker as mentioned or people who are clever to blow water... heck... you might miss out good talents because you think salary is a gauge to how well a person performs...


Trust me.... look at working experience.... not just "years" of working experience but what that person did during their previous jobs.... on top of that.... look at their credential as a tool to back up what they've mentioned during the interview... if they could convince you on their experience while at the same time have the qualifications to back them up.... confirm you found a rare gem....

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post Oct 5 2021, 11:06 PM

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QUOTE(vassilius @ Oct 5 2021, 09:18 PM)
Which countries ban it? Can let us know? And most importantly, what's wrong with using that as initial check on your quality? If other company not willing to pay u that much, surely u don't worth that much.

And even if u are so "worthy", the fact that u are still at lower than your worth pretty much show your characteristics. Why are u not looking up other opportunities in the past? Low confidence level? Incompetent? Clueless of the market demand? A reactive person?

Btw, TS should not go that extra level just to prove the candidate. Wats the point really? If u already have so much doubt, might as well just find another person.
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The fact that you don't know why despite so many people have already shared their experience here shows that you will just ignore any real life experiences and that there is no point debating...


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post Oct 6 2021, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Oct 6 2021, 11:29 AM)
Lol, u need to know their past salary to judge their experience and qualifications. Past salary u cant fake. Just check their epf statements and bank statement u will know d.

Past experience and qualifications can be easily faked.

For example if a candidate says he is top and best performing sales but the salary only 4k averagely a month, will u offer 8k ? Obviously no.
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Salary is P&C... even company cannot disclose if your interviewer call them up to verify.... so what part of "past salary" u can't fake??

Past experience and qualifications on the other hand can be verified... if you work in financial institution.... BNM has dictated that all new hires will need to get their employment background check dated back 7 years.... but mostly on behaviour and misconduct.... even so... they can clarify with the previous employers on the job scope... job position and actual years working in the company.... but they cannot clarify on salary record...

Qualification is the easiest to check.... just phone up the institution then you got your answer... heck... the new digital age allows employers to check online with full name and authenticity code... how you gonna fake that with a fake degree these days??

Opportunity is not equal for everyone....the fact that we are talking about an employee leaving a company to join another company for better prospect should already gave you a big hint that in real life .... talent does not equal to high pay because talents are often mistreated....

That is the reason why talents leave companies... due to office politics...

My ex-company behaves like a typical cinaman... basically the same thinking like you... they think hiring people with high salary = talent but they ended up hiring shitty employees all the time....they refuse to promote internally cause they think they should be paid as they are when they join doh.gif doh.gif all the HOD they hire.. know nuts and often have to rely on downline.... these so called high salary earner mostly come from companies where they have a higher management looking after them (maybe they are willing to do sinful things... maybe their ex-bosses like people who can talk kok ... alcohol kaki... or whatever)...

I think I told this story in /k/ before but just to share it again... my ex-company hired a fella as the new head of reporting under finance...he is only early 30's... but in his past company he ranks AGM and had very high salary.... promoted every year.... he has a local uni accounting degree so he is automatically admitted to MIA..... took CPA can't pass at all... we don't know what the previous company see in him but he simply signed off shit and kena from our CEO cause he often made rookie mistakes... didn't check the documents before he sign and also we found out that even some simple things he can't explain...


My current company ... MNC... is totally different... they know nepotism is rampant in Malaysia hence if a person comes to interview with high salary but has ZERO professional qualification... it is an automatic red flag....



As mention... nepotism is rampant in Malaysia.... many people climb and get good salary not because of talent.... many highly qualified got shunned because of this hence I guess you should by now know why salary is never a good indicator of performance..

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post Oct 6 2021, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(sexysarah1992 @ Oct 6 2021, 02:49 PM)
Thats what u think. But thats not how the real world works. Yes high pay does not mean good performance thats why companies prefer to hire someone with a small increment over his previous job. Then if he performs then only promote and increase pay. No perform, out the door. Thats how it works. Nobody is gonna pay you 10k when u were previously earning 5k. Thats why everybody keep jumping. Jump 1 time, increase 10%. Thats how u get high pay. And thats why alot of people are stuck with low salaries. Because u dont know how to market urself. U can be the smartest arse on the street, but if your boss doesnt agree with u, u wont get anywhere.
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You are thinking of a fictional world where good performance = guaranteed promotion...

Most college students have such mindset until they come out to the work force.... if you are a college student... you will learn when the time comes that life is not as simple as you think... especially when you are living in a nepotism world...
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post Oct 6 2021, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 09:28 PM)
Yes, your salary say a lot about your past experience. You just shot yourself in your foot. If you work for a company for 15 years and you have been receiving the same salary then it tells me that you are not capable. If you tell me you are really that damn good then if you had a low pay and didn't get what you wanted in terms of a salary you would leave the company. Don't tell me you will stay for 10 years with the same RM 1.5 then come out and say you are worth 10k. Come on. It would help if you actually thought about this at a deeper level and not just write bs here.
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Has the fact that not all companies have similar pay structure comes to your mind??

Has the fact that some smaller companies don't pay too well compared to larger companies??

Has the fact that some people were not lucky that they were not the blue eyed boy/girl of the bosses in the company when nepotism in Malaysia is rampant not comes to your mind??


If you are the owner/higher management of the company... I hope you continue leaning onto your current mindset... can't wait to see your company get screwed over like how it did to my previous company....

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post Oct 6 2021, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(royrockerfella @ Oct 6 2021, 10:17 PM)
People have to bash me up because wimps can't handle the truth as to how the system works and how much they are worth. It's sad to see so many saying it's okay to lie about stuff like this. If their salary is low, they need to do something about it and that something is not faking documents and lying. Oh well, these are some of the people we have around today.
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