Friend not as easy as you think. There are pros and cons to both sides. But I still believe generally the market rate is what he/she worth.

If you just judge based on what the employee thinks he should be getting, the employer is the headache. They need to go through months of filtering.

This is an employers marker, and always will be. If a persona suddenly say I'm worth more than bmw, does it make sense? Of course you need prove.

In Malaysia most of the time it’s the other way round though. Bmw being forced to sell at persona price and while employers acknowledge it’s a bmw no one is willing to pay bmw price since previous employee has been paying persona price so why should I pay bmw price now? Of course there are also those that not worth the asking price. Not all are gems.

Well that's the market force at play, but problem is why would the bmw wait until final stage of the interview to only see that he's overqualified...

Normally hr will let candidate knows upfront the expected price in the first round to filter out anyone who disagree

Haha normally? Expected salary range maybe. Actual salary they’re willing to pay is a different story. You think the two people TS interview is not in the expected salary range? If they were not then TS won’t waste time interviewing them since they won’t accept the job anyway if they’re offered. TS just want to hire people at the lowest end of the expected salary scale.

Not normally? What? I went to over 15+ interviews. Like 80% of them will let me know they are looking for xx - xx

So if I disagree I will just walk away, no nid waste time.

My company is hiring 2 people and the salary slip they showed shows a very high pay. Now, I know from another mutual friend in the previous company that these 2 guys are working from that their salary is probably 35% less. I actually called up KWSP / EPF to find out based on their EPF number and SOCSO number however they refused to let my HR team get the previous information about this. How can I make a report to get KWSP / EPF to give me historical information on their previous salary?

I was thinking of asking my friend who works in an MNC to try submit their documents saying that he wants to hire them and that he wants to do a background check. Since he works in a well established MNC, I was wondering if KWSP / EPF will disclose this information. Thank you.

I don't think you understand where I am coming from but I don't blame you. There is a budget for every company. Now, let's say you in charge of the hiring process and you have a budget, you will need to know how to optimize your budget as well. You have to be smart. Of course it is very easy for anyone and everyone to say "just hire and fire" and these are the people who don't know how tough it can be with the time and process involved. At the same time, I don't see anything wrong with companies disclosing how much someone earns. Why should people be afraid? If they are really as good as what they say they are, any company would pay them a good price.

Have you ever asked yourself why people fake their pay slips to begin with? I am sure you have not and you really need to think hard about this question.

You said it yourself. You have a fix budget to fill a vacancy, if a candidate is too expensive to fill, you move to another one that if affordable.

You hire a jiken also won't do shit like this, will you question the OKT on his pricing structure? will you ask for transparency on how he came up with this rate? No, you either buy or don't buy.

You don't see anything wrong in any companies disclosing it, other companies may think differently as they are mitigating risks. They do not want to be seen influencing decisions elsewhere that has got nothing to do with them. Why disclose irrelevant information to irrelevant people when it has got nothing to do with the company's business operations, profit and bottomline but exposing the company to a risk of potential lawsuits? That's why you don't understand how the big leagues play......

People can fake their payslips and it's not up to you to prove it.....remember if you go to court to prove that they used fake slips, the judge will then ask how did you acquire the evidence, if you did it through non-legally compliant means, the evidence will not be admissible. So you also be another sohai in front of the judge

Yes, but I think the pay slip is a good gauge to know what someone is capable off. Example, market rate: RM 20k however their past salaries are RM 7k. This could mean that they aren't the best candidates for the job. This is just an example but I think it's a good way to gauge the capabilities of someone.

you aint going to get anything from kwsp yo

they have no obligation whatsoever to share anything to anyone other than the account holder him/herself

best you can do is call up their co's HR dept and verify the salary info with them directly