You're lucky that you're in msia where you can be sloppy in acquiring and handling private data.....still you better check with a lawyer on this and hope that the candidates do not know the law. Acquiring private data without their consent and not through a legal compliant process is a criminal offense in many countries and could get you in trouble.
If you are are hiring manager, you should demonstrate some maturity here instead of playing stupid games like these. The objective at hand is if you want to hire the candidates based on your impression of the interview. If you want to hire, then it's a question of affordability, either you can give them a package that they are satisfied or you can't and you walk away and hire someone cheaper. What's the point of doing all these monkey business? In as much as you do all these nonsense, those 2 candidates can choose to walk away if they have options. It's supply and demand. They can jack up their rates and if the rates are too high for anyone in the market to afford them, they will eventually settle for less. You don't need to snoop around trough dubious questionable means.

Agreed 100%. If cant afford, then just move on. Nobody is putting a knife to your neck to force a hire. Tak payah do all these, makes you look so chinaman      

If you have doubt, just dont hire.

Why have to resort to dubious act to snoop around and risk kena back ?

You are making your self and the company you are in look bad ... real bad.

I don't think you understand where I am coming from but I don't blame you. There is a budget for every company. Now, let's say you in charge of the hiring process and you have a budget, you will need to know how to optimize your budget as well. You have to be smart. Of course it is very easy for anyone and everyone to say "just hire and fire" and these are the people who don't know how tough it can be with the time and process involved. At the same time, I don't see anything wrong with companies disclosing how much someone earns. Why should people be afraid? If they are really as good as what they say they are, any company would pay them a good price.

Have you ever asked yourself why people fake their pay slips to begin with? I am sure you have not and you really need to think hard about this question.

I don't think there is anything bad by asking if there is a way to check what someone's past salary is. Why is everyone so offended with a company wanting documents to prove what the candidates stated during the interview? If I ask you how well you did in University and you told me you were a top student in Harvard and when I ask to see your cert, why shouldn't I be able to ask someone if it's true? What is wrong with that?

I don't think you understand where I am coming from but I don't blame you. There is a budget for every company. Now, let's say you in charge of the hiring process and you have a budget, you will need to know how to optimize your budget as well. You have to be smart. Of course it is very easy for anyone and everyone to say "just hire and fire" and these are the people who don't know how tough it can be with the time and process involved. At the same time, I don't see anything wrong with companies disclosing how much someone earns. Why should people be afraid? If they are really as good as what they say they are, any company would pay them a good price.

Have you ever asked yourself why people fake their pay slips to begin with? I am sure you have not and you really need to think hard about this question.

You can ask but they don't have to provide then, it's up to you to decide if you want to proceed with the hiring. It's as simple as that.

What you are doing here is as though you're so obsessed to know their past salary that you forget it's not for you to prove whether it's true or not, your job is to hire according to budget. Even if you somehow manage to prove that the slip is fake, what you gotta do.....you gonna say "Gotcha, i knew your pay is not that high, so here's an offer"? You would do the opposite, you'll not hire someone who faked documents......so why are you wasting company resources and  time to prove something that has got no bearing on your hiring process?

Enough of your BS.
Its your fault for not managing salary expectations during the interview. If they are qualified, but now you're unwilling to pay, it's YOUR fault and not theirs. Why waste time interviewing in the first place?

I wish I had the resources to dig out your company name, just so we know who you are and let candidates know to avoid you.

Lol u two stop wasting ur time.
He knows he is cheapskate and he dont care.

He just wants to smart anr superior.
Ayam suspecting probably he is ipohmali type if u know who that is.

Lol u two stop wasting ur time.
He knows he is cheapskate and he dont care.

He just wants to smart anr superior.
Ayam suspecting probably he is ipohmali type if u know who that is.

He definitely is that type. Low-ball scumbag.
Need to find out his company name, let everyone know it's gonna be a shit place to work in.

Yes, but I think the pay slip is a good gauge to know what someone is capable off. Example, market rate: RM 20k however their past salaries are RM 7k. This could mean that they aren't the best candidates for the job. This is just an example but I think it's a good way to gauge the capabilities of someone.

You should hire based on experience and qualification not past history..

many countries ban past salary slip checking

Enough of your BS.
Its your fault for not managing salary expectations during the interview. If they are qualified, but now you're unwilling to pay, it's YOUR fault and not theirs. Why waste time interviewing in the first place?

I wish I had the resources to dig out your company name, just so we know who you are and let candidates know to avoid you.

You're lucky that you're in msia where you can be sloppy in acquiring and handling private data.....still you better check with a lawyer on this and hope that the candidates do not know the law. Acquiring private data without their consent and not through a legal compliant process is a criminal offense in many countries and could get you in trouble.

If you are are hiring manager, you should demonstrate some maturity here instead of playing stupid games like these. The objective at hand is if you want to hire the candidates based on your impression of the interview. If you want to hire, then it's a question of affordability, either you can give them a package that they are satisfied or you can't and you walk away and hire someone cheaper. What's the point of doing all these monkey business? In as much as you do all these nonsense, those 2 candidates can choose to walk away if they have options. It's supply and demand. They can jack up their rates and if the rates are too high for anyone in the market to afford them, they will eventually settle for less. You don't need to snoop around trough dubious questionable means.

It is also obvious that you have no idea how the big leagues play. MNCs have policies and more often than not are drafted in accordance to privacy laws of their respective countries of origin. To think that you could somehow get your friend to put his or her job on the line to commit such fraud is just laughable. Background checks of MNCs are outsourced to backcheck companies because if you mess this up, you can get really expensive lawsuits in the US, Canada, UK etc, that's why they get the professional companies to do it. To authorise a backcheck, the candidate file needs to be in the end of the hiring stage in the recruitment tool and it will cost the company for such a check.

If your friend is as stupid as you, then he'll inappropriately misrepresent his company with the intent to commit fraud by reaching out to EPF to acquire private information of some strangers. This is call social engineering and identity theft.......nice business you have got there.

You said it yourself. You have a fix budget to fill a vacancy, if a candidate is too expensive to fill, you move to another one that if affordable.

You hire a jiken also won't do shit like this, will you question the OKT on his pricing structure? will you ask for transparency on how he came up with this rate? No, you either buy or don't buy.

You don't see anything wrong in any companies disclosing it, other companies may think differently as they are mitigating risks. They do not want to be seen influencing decisions elsewhere that has got nothing to do with them. Why disclose irrelevant information to irrelevant people when it has got nothing to do with the company's business operations, profit and bottomline but exposing the company to a risk of potential lawsuits? That's why you don't understand how the big leagues play......

People can fake their payslips and it's not up to you to prove it.....remember if you go to court to prove that they used fake slips, the judge will then ask how did you acquire the evidence, if you did it through non-legally compliant means, the evidence will not be admissible. So you also be another sohai in front of the judge