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cschuang
post Apr 11 2022, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 11 2022, 03:20 PM)
why not just get the pikes 3x3 ? no need mod here and there.
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Actually, im considering new bike as well, just out of budget. sad.gif

either targeting new trifolds, > RM2.5, or used bike RM1.5 or below. cant decide. sweat.gif
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post Apr 11 2022, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(cschuang @ Apr 11 2022, 04:41 PM)
Actually, im considering new bike as well, just out of budget.  sad.gif

either targeting new trifolds, > RM2.5,  or used bike RM1.5 or below. cant decide. sweat.gif
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new pikes 3x3 within your budget mah…rm2.2k after claim the shop voucher
https://shopee.com.my/product/219988684/904...39-1649668033.9

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1.5k new bi-fold bike pun ada
https://shopee.com.my/product/148061817/767...39-1649667759.9

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post Apr 12 2022, 06:11 AM

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QUOTE(KINTREX @ Apr 10 2022, 09:59 PM)
Hi, anyone using Nsk VV BB ?

Any comments ?

Thank you
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didnt use it. but had tried it. smooth and best, but i dont think its worth the money for santai ride, unless ur on a race laugh.gif

QUOTE(cschuang @ Apr 11 2022, 02:26 PM)
hi Sir, actually m considering an used Oyama trifold with 3 speed internal hub. haven pull the trigger yet. in dilemma due to 'limited' speed, afraid it will be 'backward' from my XDS AFB320 (16 speed).  sweat.gif
If i ever pulled the trigger and in future discover difficulties to 'climbing hill', add the crankset, adding to double will make it 3 x 2 speed, just like the pikes (6 speeds) rite?

Cheers.
trifold are not meant for long journey. there is some, but not all can do it if u dont have big courage.

setup the double crank are the easiest way for trifold to gain extra gearing. i had setup my friend 3sixty bike (3 speed) with shimano 105 52/36 crankset without a fd. he said more than enough gearing compare to pikes 3x2 setup.its only a matter for u to adopt with the bike later.

QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 11 2022, 03:20 PM)
why not just get the pikes 3x3 ? no need mod here and there.
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bingo! well said, but pikes used price are not cheap either and a new one kind of hard to find in some place.

consider our friend here wanted to buy a used bike, pikes are out of his budget.

cschuang
post Apr 12 2022, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 11 2022, 05:08 PM)
new pikes 3x3 within your budget mah…rm2.2k after claim the shop voucher
https://shopee.com.my/product/219988684/904...39-1649668033.9

user posted image

1.5k new bi-fold bike pun ada
https://shopee.com.my/product/148061817/767...39-1649667759.9
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Thanks for the suggestions, hope i can stretch my budget...
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post Apr 12 2022, 11:58 AM

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thanks for all input. really appreciate it and learning at the same time.

Any user's feedback on Trinx Flybird 2.0? 2x8 speed, same as my XDS, but light weight around 10kg+-. Used unit at RM1k.

...2 (42T & 52T) x 8 (11T-25T) speed consider more than enough for leisure ride rite? if wanna improve the 'climbing', change cog to higher eg 32T? or to gain better speed, change to higher chainring eg 56T? Sorry for the noob questions.

if a bike is standard specs, what are main and immediate 'upgrades' to consider; wheelset (rim & hub), crankset, tyre, and follow by light weight accessories eg seatpost, handle, pedals,...




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QUOTE(cschuang @ Apr 12 2022, 11:58 AM)
thanks for all input. really appreciate it and learning at the same time.

Any user's feedback on Trinx Flybird 2.0? 2x8 speed, same as my XDS, but light weight around 10kg+-. Used unit at RM1k.

...2 (42T & 52T) x 8 (11T-25T) speed consider more than enough for leisure ride rite? if wanna improve the 'climbing', change cog to higher eg 32T? or to gain better speed, change to higher chainring eg 56T? Sorry for the noob questions.

if a bike is standard specs, what are main and immediate 'upgrades' to consider; wheelset (rim & hub), crankset, tyre, and follow by light weight accessories eg seatpost, handle, pedals,...
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i dont know flybird using 406 or 451 wheelset. too my folding bike in the market nowdays.
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consider it as 406, maybe u wont get enough gearing on really tough hill like mayor/tunku with that gear ratio.

my advise,
change ur 2nd chainring to 39t
or
change ur casette to 11-32
both will do
for e, that setup is enough.

wanna go fast?
how fast?

speed for less than 30kmh (maintain)
learn how to cadence, 52t are enough

speed for less than 40kmh (maintain)
extra cadence or up to 54t

speed for less than 50kmh (maintain)
extra cadence or up to 58t

and the biggest upgrade for ur bike, is the thing that rolling the bike!
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post Apr 12 2022, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Apr 12 2022, 01:11 PM)
i dont know flybird using 406 or 451 wheelset. too my folding bike in the market nowdays.
but
consider it as 406, maybe u wont get enough gearing on really tough hill like mayor/tunku with that gear ratio.

my advise,
change ur 2nd chainring to 39t
or
change ur casette to 11-32
both will do
for e, that setup is enough.

wanna go fast?
how fast?

speed for less than 30kmh (maintain)
learn how to cadence, 52t are enough

speed for less than 40kmh (maintain)
extra cadence or up to 54t

speed for less than 50kmh (maintain)
extra cadence or up to 58t

and the biggest upgrade for ur bike, is the thing that rolling the bike!
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Flybird 2.0 is 451 wheelset. So, to have good gearing for climbing, change the cassette to 11-32. i think the existing is 11-25.

i dont really want to go fast. just for my understanding and knowledge.

Thanks for your input. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cschuang @ Apr 12 2022, 01:27 PM)
Flybird 2.0 is 451 wheelset. So, to have good gearing for climbing, change the cassette to 11-32. i think the existing is 11-25.

i dont really want to go fast. just for my understanding and knowledge.

Thanks for your input.  biggrin.gif
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get 406 bike better, more tyres choice
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post Apr 13 2022, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(cschuang @ Apr 12 2022, 01:27 PM)
Flybird 2.0 is 451 wheelset. So, to have good gearing for climbing, change the cassette to 11-32. i think the existing is 11-25.

i dont really want to go fast. just for my understanding and knowledge.

Thanks for your input.  biggrin.gif
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happy upgrading! 😆

QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 12 2022, 02:43 PM)
get 406 bike better, more tyres choice
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since he got 451 bike using disc brake, why not buy another wheelset size 406? cheaper than buying a new bike laugh.gif
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post Apr 13 2022, 08:36 AM

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i only ride one one month once these days, is it normal to find the tires super soft and in need of air refill?
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post Apr 13 2022, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Apr 13 2022, 08:05 AM)
happy upgrading! 😆
since he got 451 bike using disc brake, why not buy another wheelset size 406? cheaper than buying a new bike laugh.gif
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Guess what, just bought the flybird yesterday evening. biggrin.gif

condition is very new, all seems to be fine. wheelset is 451, cassette 11-25T, will ride first and see if need to upgrade the cassette and others. Happy for now.

my XDS AFB320 wheelset (stock, with Quandro sealed hub) is 406. cassette is 11T-28T. May can swap some items... hmm.gif

besides more tyre options, why 406 is preferred? better in which area?
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post Apr 13 2022, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 11 2022, 05:08 PM)
new pikes 3x3 within your budget mah…rm2.2k after claim the shop voucher
https://shopee.com.my/product/219988684/904...39-1649668033.9

user posted image

1.5k new bi-fold bike pun ada
https://shopee.com.my/product/148061817/767...39-1649667759.9
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Wa, not bad offer. I get mine at 2490
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post Apr 13 2022, 08:08 PM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Apr 13 2022, 08:36 AM)
i only ride one one month once these days, is it normal to find the tires super soft and in need of air refill?
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comfort depends on personal preference. good tyre give u good rolling. and all tyre need to fill with air

QUOTE(cschuang @ Apr 13 2022, 08:56 AM)
Guess what, just bought the flybird yesterday evening.  biggrin.gif

condition is very new, all seems to be fine. wheelset is 451, cassette 11-25T, will ride first and see if need to upgrade the cassette and others. Happy for now.

my XDS AFB320 wheelset (stock, with Quandro sealed hub) is 406. cassette is 11T-28T. May can swap some items... hmm.gif

besides more tyre options, why 406 is preferred? better in which area?
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both tyre can swap anytime if the disc are the same dimension.

the 406 wheel give u many tyre option from maxxis, continental, vittoria and even schwalbe besides easy to find tubes.

the 451 in other term give u better rolling, much faster feel
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QUOTE(azamunekurone @ Apr 13 2022, 08:08 PM)
comfort depends on personal preference. good tyre give u good rolling. and all tyre need to fill with air
both tyre can swap anytime if the disc are the same dimension.

the 406 wheel give u many tyre option from maxxis, continental, vittoria and even schwalbe besides easy to find tubes.

the 451 in other term give u better rolling, much faster feel
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but yeah.. i just feel like mine lose air very fast
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post Apr 14 2022, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(miyakochan89 @ Apr 14 2022, 06:57 PM)
but yeah.. i just feel like mine lose air very fast
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if flat out, then u had puncture tube. try check 1st
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Good morning weekend!

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post Apr 17 2022, 08:27 PM

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For 1X single chainring setup, how to achieve both close ratio and wide range gearing?

the easiest way of course is to adopt 11-speed setup like 11-32T, then you will have 11-12-13-15-17-19-21-23-25-28-32T.

but what if you are in 9-speed setup?

if you use 11-32T, then your ratio would be 11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32T, then you are missing 12 and 14T.

1T difference in small cog makes bigger speed difference than 1T difference in big cog above 19T. not to mention your cadence higher on flat and that will make the speed gap larger and cadence lower on climb and that will make the speed gap smaller.

let me show you the calculations based on 349 wheelset on 54T chainring and 406 wheelset on 48T chainring:

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at 80rpm cadence, 12T jump to 11T there will be 2.55km/h difference while 13T jump to 11T there will be 4.71km/h difference.

at 80rpm cadence, 14T jump to 13T there will be 1.85km/h difference while 15T jump to 13T there will be 3.46km/h difference.

any gap larger than 4km/h will be very noticeable.

then how to fill in this 12T gap while you still want to use 11-32T 9-speed setup?

you can learn from bro azam that combine 2 set of cassette.

at 80rpm cadence, 28T jump to 24T there will be 2km/h difference while 32T jump to 24T there will be 3.51km/h difference.

at 80rpm cadence, 24T jump to 21T there will be 2km/h difference while 24T jump to 19T there will be 3.69km/h difference.

you can combine 11-32T with 11-23T and form
11-12-13-14-15-17-19-23-28T or
11-12-13-14-15-17-19-24-28T or
11-12-13-14-15-17-19-24-32T or
11-12-13-15-17-19-23-28-32T or
11-12-13-15-17-19-24-28-32T.
*25 May 2022 updated: optimized gear ratio with 28T for those who don't like big jump from 24T to 32T*

this is same theory like how shimano introduce their megarange freewheel/cassette during 7 and 8 speed.

this is how 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-24-32T looks like:

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this is how 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-23-28T looks like:

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p/s: not all brand cassette are combine-able, some you might need to drill the rivet screw off or break the spacer to have space to dremel the rivet screw.



This post has been edited by BOTAK_WAI: May 25 2022, 06:43 AM
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post Apr 18 2022, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 17 2022, 08:27 PM)
For 1X single chainring setup, how to achieve both close ratio and wide range gearing?

the easiest way of course is to adopt 11-speed setup like 11-32T, then you will have 11-12-13-15-17-19-21-23-25-28-32T.

but what if you are in 9-speed setup?

if you use 11-32T, then your ratio would be 11-13-15-17-19-21-24-28-32T, then you are missing 12 and 14T.

1T difference in small cog makes bigger speed difference than 1T difference in big cog above 19T. not to mention your cadence higher on flat and that will make the speed gap larger and cadence lower on climb and that will make the speed gap smaller.

let me show you the calculations based on 349 wheelset on 54T chainring and 406 wheelset on 48T chainring:

user posted image

at 80rpm cadence, 12T jump to 11T there will be 2.55km/h difference while 13T jump to 11T there will be 4.71km/h difference.

at 80rpm cadence, 14T jump to 13T there will be 1.85km/h difference while 15T jump to 13T there will be 3.46km/h difference.

any gap larger than 4km/h will be very noticeable.

then how to fill in this 12T gap while you still want to use 11-32T 9-speed setup?

you can learn from bro azam that combine 2 set of cassette.

in 9-speed 11-32T, 28T is kinda optional if you always rely on 32T for climbing.

at 80rpm cadence, 28T jump to 24T there will be 2km/h difference while 32T jump to 24T there will be 3.51km/h difference.

at 80rpm cadence, 24T jump to 21T there will be 2km/h difference while 24T jump to 19T there will be 3.69km/h difference.

you can combine 11-32T with 11-23T and form 11-12-13-15-17-19-21-24-32T or 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-24-32T or 11-12-13-14-15-17-21-24-32T.

if you want larger 34T, you can combine 11-34T with 11-23T too and form 11-12-13-15-17-19-21-24-34T or 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-24-34T or 11-12-13-14-15-17-21-24-34T.

this is same theory like how shimano introduce their megarange freewheel/cassette during 7 and 8 speed.

this is how 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-24-32T looks like:

user posted image
p/s: not all brand cassette are combine-able, some you might need to drill the rivet screw off or break the spacer to have space to dremel the rivet screw.
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yeah. rojak the casette all the way!

anyway, in addition for easy to rojak ur casette,
u can go and buy sunshine or sunrace casette (sunrace nowday are not that cheap either)

unscrew it, that u can mix and match what ratio u want. no need to drill!

in addition, u also can mix and match 1 speed different. example if ur running on 10s setup, u can mix with 11s casette. just use back ur 10s casette spacer.

i've done my 8s gearing with 9s casette and used back 8s casette spacer without any problem. just make sure its the same brand


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another weekend, one more week+ then hari raya lo laugh.gif
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QUOTE(BOTAK_WAI @ Apr 23 2022, 10:39 AM)
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another weekend, one more week+ then hari raya lo  laugh.gif
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that bag is pretty. where do you get it?

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