itu bukan level kami la bang, oi
itu level yang duduk kat Put****ya tu

kami pergi dengar briefing dari sales reps brand tu, lepas tu sesi soal jawab biasanya technical dan requirement mengenai produk depa dengan requirement TUDM.
Benda yang dapat ni biasnya barang produk depa la, mcm pen, baju atau beg tu untuk diri sendiri tapi kalau mcam model dari depa tu untuk opis la.

untuk LIMA semua contender tuk LCA mmg kene gi tuk briefing, tu tak termasuk briefing atau meeting depa ngan menteri-menteri lagi. Waktu tu kalau aku tengok maybe Korea la paling cerah masa depan berdasarkan pihak2 yang menghadiri briefing dia.

How many times the LCA will bomb something in anger? How many times the LCA will sink a ship in anger?

Probably once in 30 years time if lucky?

How many times does a LCA needs to do air policing? Every single day, day and night, rain or shine. 365 days a year, every year until the LCA is retired.

chart says indicative of type aka "contoh" je

in that category 2 are M346 AJT and T-50

in category 3 are M346 FA and FA-50 if both types are upgraded to full spec

again, chart says specifically for Air Policing role

tak kira other roles

lebih baik kau tanya sampai bila baru nak stop songlap, tu isu lagi kritikal daripada defence sahaja, kerana ia problem utama kat akar umbi segala2nya

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Sep 9 2021, 09:35 PM

there are less and less Hawk users, we will be the last users if we do that and that means higher support costs towards the end of its life

even the RAF isn't buying any more Hawks, most likely they will follow US T-X in future or whatever new fancy AJT can feature drone training kit

FA-50 costs 35 million dollars, including all support and simulators.
https://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-...hilippines.html

A normal M346 costs at least 38 million dollars (32.5 million euro). The trainer M346 is more expensive than FA-50
https://www.leonardocompany.com/en/press-re...olonia-poland-2


Gripen C/D costs at least 60 million dollars.
https://www.shephardmedia.com/news/air-warf...gripen-croatia/

Gripen E/F costs more than 100 million dollars each
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-price-for...pen-E-and-F-35A

I will buy 100 F-35 off you if you can get that price. The cost to get F-35A is at least 200 million dollars each.
https://www.dsca.mil/press-media/major-arms...ighter-aircraft
This is the cost for Poland, with zero weapons, just aircraft and support only.


Buying 36 FA-50 will cost 1.26 billion dollars if we take the cost of Philippines buy of 12 FA-50 for 420 million dollars.

Cost of 18 m346 master, based on Poland topup order, 38 million x18, that would be 684 million dollars. Cost of 18 F-35A based on Poland order without any weapons, 200 million x18, that would be 3.6 billion dollars. Add them both it would be 4.284 billion dollars.

so

36 FA-50 = 1.26 billion dollars

18 m346 master + 18 F-35A = 4.284 billion dollars.

how can 1.26 billion dollars = 4.284 billion dollars? There is a difference of 3.024 billion dollars!

Anyway do you think secondhand MB-339 have a high value for trade-in?

https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search?make=A...s-type=aircraft
you can buy some for less than 100k dollars each.

Even TUDM bought the 8 MB-339CM at just 11 million euro each brand new. So how can you get RM1 billion savings trade in for them?
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articles-...g-aircraft.html



Rather than 18 M346 + 18 F-35A that will cost 4.284 billion dollars, would it be better to have

36 FA-50 + 12 F-35A?

1.26 billion dollars + 2.4 billion dollars = 3.66 billion dollars.

For peacetime missions FA-50 is close performance-wise to the F-35A. Top speed for example the F-35A is 1,930km/h, FA-50 1,837.5km/h. M346 top speed is just 1,059km/h. Basically what peacetime missions F-35A can perform, FA-50 can do the same.

Also remember our total buying budget every 5 years is only about 4 billion dollars, and that is the entirety for army, navy and airforce.

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 9 2021, 11:08 PM

It will be typical malaysia procurement..

malaysia will buy fa-50,but with M346 radar (Grifo-E) replacing Israel made radar

FA-50 is decent for ground strike, AGM-65 and JDAM for precision, Mk-82 with CCIP aiming is enough to target medium-sized building
Can be used for limited maritime strike too. AGM-65 can disable coast guard ship or corvette with only MANPAD-grade air defence.

But, it doesn't have BVR capability.

FA-50 Block 20 is in development, will have BVR capability, along with targeting pods and probe for air to air refueling.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/def...50-golden-eagle

https://www.bloomberg.com/press-releases/20...e-for-kai-fa-50

Better wait for it...should be able to carry 4 AIM-120 and 2 AIM-9 for air superiority missions

Is it worth to buy it?
Why not buy the real MRCA?
What ever the Korea do to upgrade the FA-50, it will be limited to its structure.
What about payload, range, top speed, angle of attack, RCS, service ceiling, climb rate, etc ..etc ...etc ..

Why Korea need to develop KFX if their plan to upgrade FA-50 is so great?

If TUDM need a platform for LIFT and air policing that is great let's buy FA-50. No need to spend more money.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Sep 10 2021, 07:27 AM

define "the real MRCA". KFX?

You're asking why Korea need twin-engine less-observable medium fighter if their plan to upgrade single-engine light fighter is so great... um, maybe because they want 2 different planes for 2 different roles?

Do you even know what MRCA definition is?
The word combat should get you into something

Like you said, then the existing FA-50 wont fit the need with all the upgrade plan they have

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Sep 10 2021, 07:32 AM

Lockheed Martin C-130J-30 Super Hercules



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That's why i said typical prices.

Everyone get different price. There's no guarantee the Korean are going to sell us FA50 at Philippines prices or other countries are going to sells to us the price they set for others. Just like MY can get MQ9B at 30% of TW prices.

Poland purchase additional m346 at 38 mil each but RAAF bought the full package for 35 mil each, USAF is paying around US25 mil each for the T7 and that's for R&D, manufacturing facility, simulator & jet. Poland is paying 200 million for f35A while RSAF is paying about the same amount of money but get F35B.

As for the FA50 block 20. I doubt it's is cheap. Since the first customer who demand such customization is the one paying for the R&D. Unless ROK gov wanted to subsidies it like they did for the rest of FA50 development. Something that maybe impossible since they are currently paying for KF21 development and the fact with T7 is around, additional sales of FA50 possibility just get dimmer. But if they are willing, then great.

Even if they are willing, it's maybe still not possible.If it's possible there's no need for Philippines to purchase either the F16V or Gripen C and just upgrade their FA50 software considering the limited budget they have.

the possibility that US is the one blocking amraam integration with FA50 to safeguard their jet sales is quite high. It is in US interest afterall everyone is using their avionics and thus they have a say in what each country would, could & should do. Doubt the US going to sit idle and let the Korean backdoors them and get rich by delivering freedom of choice to others country.

As for the budget. you are right the budget are tight. seem like TUDM typically get RM5 billion development budget for 5 years. And they wanted 18 LCA, 3 MALE, 2MPA, GBAD, few used FA18, few amraam for the LCA & GBAD for that's very limited budget. Something that's only probably possible if the sellers is subsidizing our purchases in exchange for furthering their national interest.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 10 2021, 08:43 AM

Many unaware the important of airlift and sealift.
Logistics is the key to win a war.
ID with her vast teritory has the reason to build up this capability.

Yes, I do know what "Multi Role Combat Aircraft" stands for; let me ask, do you know what is "high low mix"?

Air Forces don't all operate the same single type of aircraft for many reasons. FA-50 is FA-50; KFX is KFX; both do different things.

And those are AJT prices. Not the full-spec combat aircraft.


Philippines may have other reasons for buying F-16V.


The US will certainly have the final say but there's no reason for them to block AMRAAM integration, it is also carried by the Swedish Gripen and British Harrier. Plus it is dated and production will stop within the decade.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Sep 10 2021, 08:32 AM

Probably just to replace C-130B not to expand fleet...to maintain 20+ units operational.

procurement aset atm bukan untuk pertahanan diri sahaja tapi jugak untuk hubungan diplomatik hahahah. tu yang kadang2 tgk aset yang ok dibeli walaupun ada aset yang lagi baik sebagai option.

projek lcs langsung xtahu apa nak jadi dah.

uss gerald r ford aircraft carrier terbaru USA, kapal lagi besar dan complicated pun siap lagi cepat. 6 tahun dah siap dah. lepas tu 4 tahun sea trial.

project lcs malaysia dah masuk 10 tahun, kapal yang 1st pun xsiap2 lagi....

It's being dated & being phase out is probably a good reason to get it.

Could get ipai ipai lots of used missiles for cheap.

Could put it on a plane, put it on a ship,put in on a lorry. Put it everywhere and point it to the sky. It's maybe not the greatest, but at least it's something.



If we can get a used FA18
There's really no need to overspend on a LCA.

Buying a jet is also a 30 years worth of commitment.
Just because the FA50 is a more mature & better jet than T7 today doesn't mean it still is 10 years down the road.

And in 10 years both RAF & RAAF would likely get those T7 anyway. Isn't that one of the reason we get those hawk in the 1st place?

Prabowo plans to buy more Bushmaster MRAP after Australia donated 15 Bushmaster MRAP to Indonesia.


Indonesian Army Bushmaster MRAP



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