Sep 10 2021, 08:09 PM
QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 10 2021, 05:06 PM)
offsets does not need to be aerospace related, as was the offset for the hornets.
korea has plenty of electronic industries (samsung, LG), automotive (hyundai-kia) and petrochemical too (like lotte chemical). They want an exit from china (due to american sanctions) and the offsets could be by encouraging then to sett up new factories in malaysia or JV with malaysian companies like silterra.
Do we have the money to operate 24 Hornets regularly instead of say 24 FA-50 for 10 years? Look at my previous post below
To operate F/A-18 - 150 million euro times 10 years. That is 1.5 billion euro.
To operate FA-50 - 60 million euro times 10 years. That is only 600 million euro. Say 24 FA-50 will cost 800 million euro. So buying 24 FA-50 plus operating them for 10 years will cost 1.4 billion euro.
If you operate F/A-18, you will burn 1.5 billion euro then after 10 years will need to buy T-7. Even if T-7 is the same price as FA-50, that is in total 2.3 billion needed.
A difference of 0.9 billion euro, which can be better spent to buy MRCA instead.
KAI has 2 types of helicopter being built for korean armed forces.
first is the Surion which is basically a licence built puma.
second is the LAH which is a licence built dauphin. which is a scary thought as china also fields license built dauphins in its army.
Which one is chinese and which one is korean?
Anyway another offset that we could ask the koreans for LCA/FLIT is their relatively new but going to be retired 100+ blackhawks. Korea has decided not to do overhaul to its Blackhawks which is just around 20 years old and instead replace them all with Surions to support the korean aerospace industry.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pac...-says-lawmaker/
Korea has done the same kind of offsets before, like giving free pohang corvettes to Philippines when they buy Hyundai frigates.
Even without sanction those Korean companies would still leave china.korea has plenty of electronic industries (samsung, LG), automotive (hyundai-kia) and petrochemical too (like lotte chemical). They want an exit from china (due to american sanctions) and the offsets could be by encouraging then to sett up new factories in malaysia or JV with malaysian companies like silterra.
Do we have the money to operate 24 Hornets regularly instead of say 24 FA-50 for 10 years? Look at my previous post below
To operate F/A-18 - 150 million euro times 10 years. That is 1.5 billion euro.
To operate FA-50 - 60 million euro times 10 years. That is only 600 million euro. Say 24 FA-50 will cost 800 million euro. So buying 24 FA-50 plus operating them for 10 years will cost 1.4 billion euro.
If you operate F/A-18, you will burn 1.5 billion euro then after 10 years will need to buy T-7. Even if T-7 is the same price as FA-50, that is in total 2.3 billion needed.
A difference of 0.9 billion euro, which can be better spent to buy MRCA instead.
KAI has 2 types of helicopter being built for korean armed forces.
first is the Surion which is basically a licence built puma.
second is the LAH which is a licence built dauphin. which is a scary thought as china also fields license built dauphins in its army.
Which one is chinese and which one is korean?
Anyway another offset that we could ask the koreans for LCA/FLIT is their relatively new but going to be retired 100+ blackhawks. Korea has decided not to do overhaul to its Blackhawks which is just around 20 years old and instead replace them all with Surions to support the korean aerospace industry.
https://www.defensenews.com/global/asia-pac...-says-lawmaker/
Korea has done the same kind of offsets before, like giving free pohang corvettes to Philippines when they buy Hyundai frigates.
China is no longer a developing countries, she like MY is more of an upper medium income country. They mostly left china due to the labor cost & regulations had increase significantly. Moving to MY is a no starter since we also has the same limitations of china. Korean offset are gear's more towards developing economy like Philippines & Indonesia.
Thailand meanwhile do love going into a dictatorial mode that's pretty much makes western weapon sometimes unattainable. The situation that's lead them to acquired Gripen is well documented.
At for those used Blackhawks, even if ATM are interested in hibah. Local final assembly or some kind of offset deals with Airbus for something like H160M is probably more attractive option for the gov.
As you said before, MY has no need for more then 18 LIFT. The whole 3 squadrons of BVR + LIFT + LCA plans on CAP55 is there simply due to us now currently not having the money. Kuwaiti FA18 allowed us the freedom of not doing that part of the plans anymore.
10 years may seem short. But pre covid estimate,as long as MY continue with reform & liberalize the economy, it can grow 300% and be a trillion dollars economy by 2030s. At that point ATM would have 300% more purchasing power then they do right now.
So I was thinking that those FA18 would work for 10 years afterwards the original 18 T7 is upgraded to an arm version and we would just replace the 24 FA18 with proper MRCA by 2035.
Air force primary roles is to defend the airspace. Air policing is a natural extension of that primary roles since they already have the equipment for it. Not that they should bought asset simply to prioritize their secondary air policing roles at the expenses of their primary roles.
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