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azriel
post Sep 8 2021, 08:03 AM

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HAL claimed they had signed a MOU with MMTC. MMTC will buy palm oil from Malaysia for LCA Tejas barter trade for RMAF LCA Project.

MMTC to buy Palm Oil for LCA Tejas barter deal with Malaysia: HAL

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Lampuajaib
post Sep 8 2021, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Sep 8 2021, 08:03 AM)
HAL claimed they had signed a MOU with MMTC. MMTC will buy palm oil from Malaysia for LCA Tejas barter trade for RMAF LCA Project.

MMTC to buy Palm Oil for LCA Tejas barter deal with Malaysia: HAL
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While those 2 guys arguing about everything but no one considered palm oil barter is the game changer...hahaha

It is not about the platform but about who can accept palm oil....good luck RMAF.
It will be Tejas mk1, isnt it? At least it uses the same engine as the hornet
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post Sep 8 2021, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(darth5zaft @ Sep 7 2021, 08:26 PM)



So I'm more interested in guessing what's they eventually choose. Weapon purchase afterall isn't just about the technical aspects of the weapon, but it's also ties in economy, domestic politics, legal & illegal kickbacks, Geopolitics and so on.



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So, what is your guess? Long babble but i have not seen your guess on what TUDM would choose. Pick 1 that you think the best.

Anyway you didn't comment anything on the HAL Tejas.



QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Sep 8 2021, 10:32 AM)


While those 2 guys arguing about everything but no one considered palm oil barter is the game changer...hahaha

It is not about the platform but about who can accept palm oil....good luck RMAF.
It will be Tejas mk1, isnt it? At least it uses the same engine as the hornet


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Not sure about european contenders, but all asian contenders (pakistan, india, south korea) has already considered about palm oil barter.

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Tejas Mk1 have the same engine, radar as the FA-50. Plenty of defects still in the Mk1 version, and the improved Mk1A is still not yet seen.

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post Sep 8 2021, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 8 2021, 11:11 AM)
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So, what is your guess? Long babble but i have not seen your guess on what TUDM would choose. Pick 1 that you think the best.

Anyway you didn't comment anything on the HAL Tejas.
Not sure about european contenders, but all asian contenders (pakistan, india, south korea) has already considered about palm oil barter.

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Tejas Mk1 have the same engine, radar as the FA-50. Plenty of defects still in the Mk1 version, and the improved Mk1A is still not yet seen.
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Prefer Korean made. Never heard India or Pakistan car in Malaysia. At least Korean heavy industries like shipbuilding, electrical and electronics, and car is famous.

And that should at least give a confidence to Malaysia as buyer.
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post Sep 8 2021, 11:29 AM

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RMAF LCA / Lift Trainer Best Choice - 12 T/A-50 & 24 F-A-50
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post Sep 8 2021, 11:38 AM

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PUTD pilot training on the MD530G

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post Sep 8 2021, 11:39 AM

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no HAL plz. Made in India military products just doesn't strike confidence

not to mention not a single country aside India procure Tejas. at least FA-50 already have several countries using it.
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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 7 2021, 05:36 PM)
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So if not M346, not FA50, then what for LCA/FLIT????? What do you want TUDM to use?????

Israeli... Our F/A-18 already has israeli helmet mounted displays, and has israeli glide decoys.

Do you even understand what CAP55 plan even means??? You think that the CAP55 is a plan to be started in 2055 is it???
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May I correct you a little
both HMD and TALD are assemble and sold by Raytheon
byt the TALD are not made by Israel to be precise
so it's like my Israel made intel in PC


well just nitpicking a bit during lunch break
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post Sep 8 2021, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 8 2021, 01:37 PM)
May I correct you a little
both HMD and TALD are assemble and sold by Raytheon
byt the TALD are not made by Israel to be precise
so it's like my Israel made intel in PC
well just nitpicking a bit during lunch break
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i stand corrected 🤪

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 8 2021, 02:40 PM)
i stand corrected 🤪

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Iye abam, IMI requested dari Brunswick (manufacturer)
ours are sold to us (more like given to us) by Raytheon during the major upgrade packages

puas belek dulu cari mana tulis made in israel laugh.gif
for the lulz of course!
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post Sep 8 2021, 03:40 PM

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M994-01 ~ M994-04 semua dah actively flying ke sekarang? pagi tadi dapat tgk sekor lalu atas kepala, rindu dengar bunyi swish swish swish tail rotor tu
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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Sep 8 2021, 03:40 PM)
M994-01 ~ M994-04 semua dah actively flying ke sekarang? pagi tadi dapat tgk sekor lalu atas kepala, rindu dengar bunyi swish swish swish tail rotor tu
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Gapi Bomba?
baru hari tu aku tengok parking kat Bomba East Coast HQ kat IM7
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Sep 8 2021, 04:51 PM)
Gapi Bomba?
baru hari tu aku tengok parking kat Bomba East Coast HQ kat IM7
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Ko panggil Gapi ke? hahahaha! lama gak tersadai katanya xde spare parts tu kan? yg kt airport Miri dah terbang ke belum agaknya? bulan 11 taun lepas, masa aku balik ke KL, ada lagi tersadai dalam hangar
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Really laugh die me if buy made in india junks
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QUOTE(TechSuper @ Sep 8 2021, 04:53 PM)
Ko panggil Gapi ke? hahahaha! lama gak tersadai katanya xde spare parts tu kan? yg kt airport Miri dah terbang ke belum agaknya? bulan 11 taun lepas, masa aku balik ke KL, ada lagi tersadai dalam hangar
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asal mana panggilan gapi pun aku tak tau, dari senior aku depa dah panggil Gapi, aku pn gapi la

lama, tapi aku tak track bila dia terbang balik!
yg aku track hari tu nampak CL145 MMEA je ada masuk repair dan tak lama pastu terbang.

Terkujat gak la hari tu

Issue parts ngan russian made ni tak asing hehe

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QUOTE(Kakwen @ Sep 8 2021, 04:57 PM)
Really laugh die me if buy made in india junks
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1st i'd laugh, later i'd go raging mad. as if there were no other option than to go Tejas. &T*#&@*((@)(
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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 8 2021, 11:11 AM)
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So, what is your guess? Long babble but i have not seen your guess on what TUDM would choose. Pick 1 that you think the best.

Anyway you didn't comment anything on the HAL Tejas.
Not sure about european contenders, but all asian contenders (pakistan, india, south korea) has already considered about palm oil barter.

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Tejas Mk1 have the same engine, radar as the FA-50. Plenty of defects still in the Mk1 version, and the improved Mk1A is still not yet seen.
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As for the asian option

Tejas is unfortunately a piece of shit, build to songlap money rather then for defense and unloved by their own military. Their aerodynamic design is questionable & delta wing being unstable by design means not very suitable for FLIT.

JF17 would likely result in CAATSA.

FA50 IMHO is quite unattractive, it's a jet build on top of Americans IP, use american engine & american weapon. Thus the jet had all the limitations of buying american without any of the benefits of buying america.


The biggest problem with a supersonic speed BVR capable LCA is, it's also nearing the F16 in it's price & maintenance cost. Which beg the question, is this hybrid LCA/FLIT plans really worth it? it could go as a brilliant success like the F5 or a failure like the F20. But if they really want to push through with Cap55 to the letter then T7A is a no brainer


If they get the M346, the next Malaysia plan they would likely won't order another round of LCA and go straight to MRCA. A very conservative but risk free options.There's a good chance IMO for us to get a slot to order F35 next Malaysia plan since the planned retirement of FA18 is in 2030. Have no idea if RMAF can afford it or not.









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post Sep 8 2021, 11:33 PM

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what can the T-7 do, that the FA-50 cannot? When will the fighter version of the T-7, if available, be flying? Is the performance of the T-7 better than the FA-50? its speed at 5000 feet was tested, and got 557 knots, or just mach 0.8

https://www.edrmagazine.eu/t-7a-red-hawk-fl...g-well-underway

Currently the T-7 program is delayed

https://www.airforcemag.com/technical-probl...ction-decision/


Anyway this is a real study, by a western government on having a minimum air policing capability.

Ireland study

from there you will get the operating cost of FA-50 is just double the cost of a turboprop PC-9 trainer, which is peanuts.

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post Sep 8 2021, 11:40 PM

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From the study.

It is concluded that

M346 only has 50% of the capability of a real fighter like Typhoon

FA-50 90%

Gripen 95%

Interesting there is only 5% difference in capability between FA-50 and gripen while the cost of gripen is double of the FA-50

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Sep 8 2021, 11:40 PM)
From the study.

It is concluded that

M346 only has 50% of the capability of a real fighter like Typhoon

FA-50 90%

Gripen 95%

Interesting there is only 5% difference in capability between FA-50 and gripen while the cost of gripen is double of the FA-50

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meh from the last LIMA
Alenia has be the best offer to the TUDM
nuff said!

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