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Frozen_Sun
post Aug 27 2021, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 26 2021, 07:45 PM)
First Steel Cutting Ceremony of Indonesian Navy new OPV 90M and OPV at PT Daya Radar Utama Shipyard. Credit to Kemhan RI.

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PT Daya Radar Utama (DRU) OPV 90M.


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Four ships to be built, right?
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post Aug 27 2021, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 26 2021, 07:45 PM)
First Steel Cutting Ceremony of Indonesian Navy new OPV 90M and OPV at PT Daya Radar Utama Shipyard. Credit to Kemhan RI.

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PT Daya Radar Utama (DRU) OPV 90M.


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Congratulations to indonesia on the OPVs.

I dont really understand the meaning of the launch. There will be 2 different types of OPV being officiated at the same steel cutting ceremony?

Why 2 different types being build simultaneously at the same shipyard?

Also if I am Indonesia, I would put all OPVs under the Indonesian Coast Guard, not the navy.
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post Aug 27 2021, 09:49 PM

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Hard to say considering our navy too have lots of OPV.

Seem like all ASEAN country are 'confused' to what exactly the seperation between the coast guard & navy
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post Aug 27 2021, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Aug 27 2021, 07:49 PM)
Congratulations to indonesia on the OPVs.

I dont really understand the meaning of the launch. There will be 2 different types of OPV being officiated at the same steel cutting ceremony?

Why 2 different types being build simultaneously at the same shipyard?

Also if I am Indonesia, I would put all OPVs under the Indonesian Coast Guard, not the navy.
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Maybe there are 2 different size of OPV or different spesification.

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post Aug 28 2021, 12:13 AM

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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Aug 27 2021, 09:55 PM)
Maybe there are 2 different size of OPV or different spesification.
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DRU has two OPV designs...maybe the other is 73m model

https://defence-indonesia.com/web/product-d...l/60374c976452e

https://defence-indonesia.com/web/product-d...l/603753a4ba01c
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post Aug 28 2021, 07:41 AM

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QUOTE(alexz23 @ Aug 27 2021, 07:49 PM)
Congratulations to indonesia on the OPVs.

I dont really understand the meaning of the launch. There will be 2 different types of OPV being officiated at the same steel cutting ceremony?

Why 2 different types being build simultaneously at the same shipyard?

Also if I am Indonesia, I would put all OPVs under the Indonesian Coast Guard, not the navy.
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QUOTE(Lampuajaib @ Aug 27 2021, 09:55 PM)
Maybe there are 2 different size of OPV or different spesification.
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Aug 28 2021, 12:13 AM)
^^^ Based from Janes article both ships have similar specification. The different designation is for the source of funds.

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The Indonesian Ministry of Defense (MoD) announced on the same day that the steel was for two vessels, which are designated “OPV” and “OPV 90 meter”.

However, Janes has since verified with a representative from PT DRU that despite the separate designations, the two vessels have similar specifications and will form a single class once they are in service.

The vessel that has been referred as ‘OPV' is being funded with state defence budget allocated for the TNI-AL, while ‘OPV 90 meter' is being paid for with proceeds from a domestic loan.


Indonesian shipbuilder cuts steel for new class of 90 m OPVs

DRU OPV 90M.

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Indonesian SOE PT PAL OPV 90M. Credit to PT PAL.

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Indonesian other private shipyard PT Tesco Indomaritim is also offering its design for the OPV 95M. Credit to PT Tesco Indomaritm.

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Lampuajaib
post Aug 28 2021, 11:03 AM

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This OPV design reminds me of Lekiu or nakhoda ragam.

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post Aug 28 2021, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 28 2021, 07:41 AM)
^^^ Based from Janes article both ships have similar specification. The different designation is for the source of funds.

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Indonesian shipbuilder cuts steel for new class of 90 m OPVs


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Ah, bureaucracy at its best!

well that really explains the very peculiar title of the ceremony.
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post Aug 28 2021, 01:55 PM

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JS Kumano - Mogami Class Frigate Sea Trials.



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post Aug 29 2021, 07:28 PM

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I see that so far the Gempitas with the Denel LCT 30 Turret and LCT 30 Ingwe Turret aren't fitted with any Commander Sight.

LCT 30 Turret with Commander Sight.

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post Aug 29 2021, 07:44 PM

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QUOTE(azriel @ Aug 28 2021, 07:41 AM)
^^^ Based from Janes article both ships have similar specification. The different designation is for the source of funds.

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Indonesian shipbuilder cuts steel for new class of 90 m OPVs

DRU OPV 90M.

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Indonesian SOE PT PAL OPV 90M. Credit to PT PAL.

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Indonesian other private shipyard PT Tesco Indomaritim is also offering its design for the OPV 95M. Credit to PT Tesco Indomaritm.

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FFBNW like the Kedahs!

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post Aug 29 2021, 07:51 PM

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Indonesia sets 2022 defence budget at USD9.3 billion

by Jon Grevatt

Indonesia's government has announced a 2022 defence budget of IDR134.1 trillion (USD9.3 billion) amid continuing economic constraints bought about by the Covid-19 pandemic.

The new appropriation is a nominal 2% decline on the original 2021 defence budget of IDR136.9 trillion but a 12% increase over the revised allocation for this year of IDR120.1 trillion, budget according to documents issued by the Ministry of Finance (MoF).

The 2022 military expenditure represents 5% of total government expenditure for the year and about 0.7% of GDP. The downsizing of the budget in 2021 was a result of budget reallocations linked to the pandemic, said the MoF. Some of the defence funds were used to procure vaccines, it said.

According to the MoF, the increase in 2022 over the revised 2021 expenditure is consistent with an effort to “realise the fulfilment of the Minimum Essential Force” (MEF) strategy, the term given to the Indonesian military's modernisation programme.

It said defence budget priorities in 2022 included the accelerated procurement of defence equipment, sustaining and upgrading existing materiel, and improving military infrastructure.

The MoF documents show that ‘modernisation' projects – including procurement and sustainment – will receive IDR43.2 trillion in 2022 while funding for military personnel expenses and welfare has been allocated INR12 trillion. Both are small increases over the original allocations in 2021.

The remainder of funds in 2022 will be split across operations, infrastructure investment, research and development, and ‘defence resources'.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-det...t%20of%20IDR136.

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Expected...if you track the loans Indo has been making..they will need 1 generation to pay. It is also quite obvious that they cannot afford many of the equipment on their wish list and/or in the numbers they want.


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post Aug 29 2021, 08:19 PM

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US Vice President Kamala Harris was given a demonstration of the 17-20m USV which be used a variety of functions by the RSN.



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These USVs will also be carried (at least 2) on board RSN's 6 new MRCV heavy frigates (or some would call them destroyers). ST Marine design below:

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Top-down view?

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You can see that it a very wide ship apart from being longer at about 140+m at least. And it seems to be carrying 40 to 48 VLS cells with space for more.

The first ship will be in water in 2025 and all 6 ships operational by 2030. Weapons include Aster 30, Aster 15(I read that they will be replaced by CAMM-ER), 5 Gen Blue Spear SSMs (at least 24 missiles similar to Formidable class) (anti-ship and anti-land (400km range missile)), torpedoes, large USVs (like the one above), UAVs (surveillance and attack), UUVs, etc.

Hoping to see the complete design soon.

I found a design from SAAB for the MRCV (it is possible RSN may have opted for a ST Marine-SAAB design:

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This design can be stretched from the baseline 120m to about 140+m to accomodate all the UAVs, USVs, etc. equipment.

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Mai189
post Aug 29 2021, 08:32 PM

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I posted this in another thread and lo and behold the resident indo raised this one - so i cldnt help post:

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Meanwhile SG has done well in an exceptional year:

2021 growth rate: >6% to 7%

Foreign reserve (as of July 2021): $ USD 407 billion
https://www.mas.gov.sg/statistics/reserve-s...oreign-reserves

GIC sovereign wealth fund (as of July 2021): $ USD 545+ billion

Temasek sovereign wealth fund (as of July 2021): $ USD 484+ billion

https://www.swfinstitute.org/fund-rankings/...ign-wealth-fund

SG's Covid 19 spending: USD $37+ billion (fully paid with SG's own monies! - no loans)

% Fully vaccinated: >70% of population

% 1-dose vaccination: >80% of population


Even before anyone even starts talking about buying a buffet of military equipment, financial resilience is more important. You cannot buy and sustain a military campaign when you are financially weak and exposed to financial assaults and/or you are at the mercy of international banks (with the large amount of loans made) owned by foreigners and foreign countries and sovereign wealth funds.

Countries in this region need to get their house in order and a long way of having any true expeditionary capabilities.
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post Aug 29 2021, 09:10 PM

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Sg's begins transferring Aghan refugees to Germany:








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post Aug 29 2021, 09:18 PM

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PT PAL Indonesia received fresh funds from Jokowi to complete submarine production hangar facilty and to increase production capacity.

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Indonesian Navy KRI Alugoro during Joint Section Process at PT PAL Submarine Production Facility

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Get PMN of Rp 1.28 Trillion, PT PAL is Ready for Whole Local Submarine Production

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(Surabaya, August 24, 2021) In accordance with Law No. 9 of 2020, PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) received State Capital Participation (PMN) in the State Budget for Fiscal Year 2021 amounting to Rp. 1.28 trillion to complete the submarine hangar facility.

Since the enactment of PP No. 84 of 2021 which was signed by President Joko Widodo, it has been stated that PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) PMN funds have been disbursed.

PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) will be fully responsible for managing PMN funds by realizing the ideals of submarine development from the scope of the Joint Section, tests and trials (Setting to Work, Hydro Test, Harbor Acceptance Test (HAT), Sea Acceptance Test including Pre -SAT up to the preparation of working standards to become Whole Local Production.

This is also in order to prepare themselves to answer the needs of national defense equipment, especially submarines by of course carrying out a strategy of mastering submarine technology and developing submarine technology in the future, including unmanned submarines.

The State Capital Investment (PMN) in the APBN for Fiscal Year 2021 of Rp. 1.28 trillion will be mandated to increase production capabilities, human resources, and other supporting facilities.

First, with the 2021 PMN which is currently disbursed, it will be used to increase production capabilities, through facilities that will be equipped including the construction of a Ship Lift, Glassfiber Reinforced Plastic (GRP) Shop, Painting Shop, Blasting Shop, etc. With the fully equipped facilities through this PMN, it will increase the ability of PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) in the construction of submarines, so that it is not only in the scope of the Joint Section but to Whole Local production.

Second, in increasing the production capacity that is currently owned, it will be supported by improving the quality of human resources such as the implementation of training, certification, and other training facilities.

CEO of PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) Dr. Kaharuddin Djenod M.Eng when welcoming the visit of the Deputy Minister of Defense (Wamenhan) Muhammad Herindra M.Sc to PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) on August 12, 2021, said "The submarine hangar facility owned by PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) has a submarine production capacity simultaneously as many as 4 Scorpene (or similar) type submarines and 2 30 meter midget type submarines”


Read more: https://pal.co.id/2021/08/publikasi/news-be...cal-production/

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post Aug 29 2021, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 29 2021, 07:51 PM)


Expected...if you track the loans Indo has been making..they will need 1 generation to pay. It is also quite obvious that they cannot afford many of the equipment on their wish list and/or in the numbers they want.
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Take it easy...Indonesian military enthusiasts already have the habit to take news with a truckload of salt

You are not proving anything new


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post Aug 30 2021, 09:17 AM

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More pics of JS Kumano. Beautiful ship.



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alexz23
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QUOTE(Mai189 @ Aug 29 2021, 08:32 PM)





Countries in this region need to get their house in order and a long way of having any true expeditionary capabilities.





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I cannot say about other countries in SEA and their military dreams, but for Malaysia, we don't plan or we don't need military expeditionary capabilities.

Why should we? Our military is first and foremost is our tool to defend our country. That is defending our sea and soil from others, fighting on our own land and sea. Fighting the abu sayaf on sabah soil, fighting the communists, even fighting to our last man for the defence of singapore against the japanese in WW2. There is no need to gear up our military to fight on other people's land and sea expeditionarily like US forces. For example US navy "LCS" means fighting in other people's littoral thousands of miles from home.

Too much Holywood, too much Afghanistan, too much i want to be US Military.

And you lost track of reality and lose track of what is the main reason for your countries military.
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post Aug 30 2021, 09:58 AM

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Coming Soon Or Next Change?

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August 30, 2021
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SHAH ALAM: Coming soon or next change? It appears that the local defence industry and wannabes is gearing up for an Army tender for the 155mm SPH. The tender was supposed to be open for bidding last June and earlier this month but were never published.

I was told that the RFB will be published soon though no one could be certain of the exact date. Coming soon or next change…as they say. Anyhow even though there is no general specifications being bandied about, it is likely involved up to 36 truck-mounted 155mm SPH, which have been the numbers talked about for the last 10 years or so. We would have gotten 29 M109 tracked SPH already but it was cancelled by the government in 2019.

The Nexter Caesar 155mm SPH will likely start as the favourite as its been the most tested in country compared to the other contenders – like the Bae Systems Archer SPH and YugoImport Nora B-52 M-21 SPH. Of course they are other truck-mounted SPH like the Turkish MKE Yavuz 155mm SPH.


Read more: https://www.malaysiandefence.com/coming-soon-or-next-change/

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