Ah, bureaucracy at its best!

well that really explains the very peculiar title of the ceremony.

PT PAL Indonesia received fresh funds from Jokowi to complete submarine production hangar facilty and to increase production capacity.


Indonesian Navy KRI Alugoro during Joint Section Process at PT PAL Submarine Production Facility
Read more: https://pal.co.id/2021/08/publikasi/news-be...cal-production/

I cannot say about other countries in SEA and their military dreams, but for Malaysia, we don't plan or we don't need military expeditionary capabilities.

Why should we? Our military is first and foremost is our tool to defend our country. That is defending our sea and soil from others, fighting on our own land and sea. Fighting the abu sayaf on sabah soil, fighting the communists, even fighting to our last man for the defence of singapore against the japanese in WW2. There is no need to gear up our military to fight on other people's land and sea expeditionarily like US forces. For example US navy "LCS" means fighting in other people's littoral thousands of miles from home.

Too much Holywood, too much Afghanistan, too much i want to be US Military.

And you lost track of reality and lose track of what is the main reason for your countries military.

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Now i am confused



which statement is true?
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Let's check how much they spend to build them and compare to LMS....

If there is no big plan on building locally in big number there is no need to build facility for building up to 4 subs and 2 midget sub simultaneously

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Now i am confused



which statement is true?
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True....MY is not an expeditionary force. ATM is not built to achieve expeditionary capabilities.
IMO, only ID can but limited.TNI has many support equipments for airlift and sealift. TNI has experiences moving personnel and equipment in long distance.

PT PAL Indonesia received fresh funds from Jokowi to complete submarine production hangar facilty and to increase production capacity.


Indonesian Navy KRI Alugoro during Joint Section Process at PT PAL Submarine Production Facility
Read more: https://pal.co.id/2021/08/publikasi/news-be...cal-production/

2nd AIR WING SQUADRON 200 TNI AL PUSPENERBAL SENDS OFFICER FOR BELL-505 PILOT TRAINING AT BELL TRANING ACADEMY

Posted By : Admin, 08/29/2021 15:44 WIB



Naval Aviation Center (Puspenerbal Pusat) (as the Implementing Agency) Balakpus) The Indonesian Navy, which is located directly under the Chief of Staff, organized the development of the Indonesian Navy's aviation strength and capabilities through training and personnel development, Friday (28/8). Located in Squadron 200 Air Wing 2 Puspenerbal Juanda Sidoarjo.

In order to carry out training and training of personnel, in this case the Aircraft Crew (Pesud), it is necessary to have training aircraft, both Fix Wing and Rotary Wing, which are able to prepare crews to carry out the duties and functions of Indonesian Navy Aviation. The training center in the form of helicopters is urgently needed for Indonesian Navy flights now and in the future, where the training helicopters previously owned were very limited, said the 2nd Air Wing Commander Marine Colonel (P) Winardi, S.H., M.H.

The 2nd Air Wing Commander continued that in 2021, the Indonesian Navy have procured single engine training helicopters, in which 4 (four) prospective crew members from the Indonesian Navy flight are assigned to carry out training for the Bell-505 training helicopter pilot. The four pilots assigned as candidates for the helicopter crew include Marine Major (F) Rai Terianom, Marine Captain (F) Muhammad Al Amin, Marine Lt. Pilot training for the procurement of Bell-505 training helicopters for 5 days from 26 to 31 July 2021 at Bell Training Academy, Fort Worth, Texas, USA. Pilot training carried out in accordance with the procurement contract is the Ground & Initial Flight Course, after which the training becomes Captain Pilot.

The Bell-505 training helicopter pilot training activities carried out included preparation, implementation of exercises, and termination. Implementation of training at the Bell Training Academy which is carried out in theory/classical, flight simulator and practice.

The implementation of the Bell-505 training helicopter pilot training went smoothly and in accordance with the expected results, this can be seen from the success of the training personnel in passing the test and flying practice with good and satisfactory results, as well as the four pilots who carried out graduation certificate training and eligibility in training Bell-505 helicopter pilot.

Having expeditionary capabilities is not about transporting equipment by land and sea. It is about sustained power projection over vast distances and the ability to up the ante with full scale military strikes. That requires a whole gamut of land, air and sea equipment and capabilities encompassing strike, sensor integration, time on target kill box assignments,  large real time surveillanve, etc. Most importantly is the financial resilience to back such endeavours which can cost hundreds of millions of USD or billions. Australia which had a significant but smaller deployment (relative to the US) in Afghanistan spent over $USD 10 billion at least over a couple of years. The US spent over $USD 2 trillion. Sgs Operation Flying Eagle 2 help Indonesia after the Asian Tsunami costs over USD $1 billion then and this was a humanitarian operation lasting for a month or so.

I cannot say about other countries in SEA and their military dreams, but for Malaysia, we don't plan or we don't need military expeditionary capabilities.

Why should we? Our military is first and foremost is our tool to defend our country. That is defending our sea and soil from others, fighting on our own land and sea. Fighting the abu sayaf on sabah soil, fighting the communists, even fighting to our last man for the defence of singapore against the japanese in WW2. There is no need to gear up our military to fight on other people's land and sea expeditionarily like US forces. For example US navy "LCS" means fighting in other people's littoral thousands of miles from home.

Too much Holywood, too much Afghanistan, too much i want to be US Military.

And you lost track of reality and lose track of what is the main reason for your countries military.

Sustained power projection over vast distances is NOT something most south east asian nations need from their Military.

You don't need power projection over your own territory.

For example the defence of Sabah will be mostly the task of the locally situated 5th division. All supports will be on our own territory. Even if there are support from other units like 10 PARA, the logistics of it will be fully on our own territory.

Having expeditionary capabilities is not about transporting equipment by land and sea. It is about sustained power projection over vast distances and the ability to up the ante with full scale military strikes. That requires a whole gamut of land, air and sea equipment and capabilities encompassing strike, sensor integration, time on target kill box assignments,  large real time surveillanve, etc. Most importantly is the financial resilience to back such endeavours which can cost hundreds of millions of USD or billions. Australia which had a significant but smaller deployment (relative to the US) in Afghanistan spent over $USD 10 billion at least over a couple of years. The US spent over $USD 2 trillion. Sgs Operation Flying Eagle 2 help Indonesia after the Asian Tsunami costs over USD $1 billion then and this was a humanitarian operation lasting for a month or so.

No. And having the ability to influence e.g. sphere of influence and dictate terms over vast distances is what they want and sometimes need e.g. fight over resources; minimally over the region they are in e.g. South East Asia. But you are entitled to what you believe in.