So can you enlighten me from your understanding, what is the purpose/main idea why the Harimau/Kaplan MT is designed. What is it supposed to do?

depends on the gun, but certainly not with the low-velocity 105mm cockeril gun on the harimau
even on their manufacturer site said its only to deal with light to medium armored vehicle
also most 105mm gun is not designed to deal with mbt's

harimau is not even a real tank to begin with, its an ifv with a large gun
it offers neither the firepower or protection of a real medium tank

It's mainly for infantry fire support...as well as killing APC and IFV.

Medium tank is not designed to face MBT so as IFV is not designed to face medium tank.
Although IFV or medium tank is equipt with ATGM, I would consider it for "emergency" if situation is unavoidable.

If it is just made for fire support and killing APC and IFV, why do you need a 105mm gun??

It looks like a tank, and believe me, the generals will use it like a tank. And the enemy will mark it out as the number 1 target on the battlefield, as it looks like a tank.

As for fire support, malaysian soldiers now have plenty of RPG-7 and to add new lightweight Carl Gustavs to not needing a fire support vehicle with 105mm gun. Which is why we have retired all our 90mm fire support vehicles (SIBMAS, Commando and Scorpion)
IFV not designed to face medium tank????

The Gempita with 30mm cannon and Ingwe missiles is made to kill IFVs and Medium tanks.

Gempita 30mm cannon can easily penetrate the Harimau tall and large side armor, and with a firing speed of 60 rounds per minute, will easily saturate any APS systems installed.

If it is just made for fire support and killing APC and IFV, why do you need a 105mm gun??

It looks like a tank, and believe me, the generals will use it like a tank. And the enemy will mark it out as the number 1 target on the battlefield, as it looks like a tank.

As for fire support, malaysian soldiers now have plenty of RPG-7 and to add new lightweight Carl Gustavs to not needing a fire support vehicle with 105mm gun. Which is why we have retired all our 90mm fire support vehicles (SIBMAS, Commando and Scorpion)
IFV not designed to face medium tank????

The Gempita with 30mm cannon and Ingwe missiles is made to kill IFVs and Medium tanks.

Gempita 30mm cannon can easily penetrate the Harimau tall and large side armor, and with a firing speed of 60 rounds per minute, will easily saturate any APS systems installed.

Fact check

Harimau uses the newest cockerill 105mm turret 3105 which is a high pressure type. I found it this type of turret is gteat. It has elevation -10 to 42 degree which can be used for direct or indirect fire and it can throw ATGM falarick.
Harimau/Kaplan MT is initially designed for medium tank and later developed to IFV.
SG bionix and SK K21 who were designed initially as IFV.

Alex....
True...gempita with 30mm can penetrate harimau standard skin with no add-on armour attached. But like I said IFV is not designed to be a tank killer. No need to insist using it more than what it is designed for. The Ingwe is for emergency situation. We wont put any gempita on emergency situation.

You only focus on strenght of 30mm cannon and 105mm weakness...in reality it is not easy to find a situation to support that.
You forget about 105mm strength. This 105mm ammo has both longer range and firepower. An ammo of 105mm enough already to blow gempita up. How to get closer without detected is another different story', isnt it?

Anyway seems that everyone is using the Cockerill 3105 turret from K21 Medium Tank, Otokar Tulpar and to even ST Kinetics/SAIC is using that turret for their US Army MPF Program.

Actually Gempita with 30m can penetrate a Harimau with add-on armor. Add on armor for Harimau is rated up to 25mm cannon fire only. Harimau does not have armor protection of a tank, so the Harimau is a fair game for Gempita.

Harimau 105mm has a 10km indirect range (ie lobbing shells on a ballistic arc for long range fire support, not to kill other IFV or tanks), the Gempita GI30 has a 4km direct fire range. Both weapons of Harimau and Gempita can easily kill each other, it depends on how quick the crew acquire and shoot at the target.

The 105mm strength is the ability to penetrate tanks. With that is a sure bet of the user actually using the Harimau against real tanks.
ST Kinetics/SAIC was not selected for the US Army MPF Program, BAE and General Dynamics got to move on to the evaluation phase.

Looks like PT Lundin (North Sea Boats) is preparing to launch Indonesian Navy new Klewang Class Trimaran Fast Attack Missile Craft KRI Golok-688.

How ready this time?

Actually Gempita with 30m can penetrate a Harimau with add-on armor.
ST Kinetics/SAIC was not selected for the US Army MPF Program, BAE and General Dynamics got to move on to the evaluation phase.

Looks like its ready for launching.

https://zonajakarta.pikiran-rakyat.com/nasi...l-siap-meluncur

Watch this..



Medium tank is not designed to face MBT so as IFV is not designed to face medium tank.
Although IFV or medium tank is equipt with ATGM, I would consider it for "emergency" if situation is unavoidable.

I mean....how ready this ship compare to last one?
Guarantee no more fire this time?

IDEF 2021: FNSS hails Kaplan MT progress

18th August 2021 - 13:30 GMT | by The Shephard News Team

FNSS displays production version of Kaplan Medium Tank for Indonesia, where it is known as Harimau.

FNSS exhibited a serial production version of its Kaplan Medium Tank (MT) at the IDEF defence exhibition in Istanbul on 17-20 August, claiming that the ‘design perfection process… is completed’ for the Indonesian Army as the launch customer.

The Kaplan MT as showcased at IDEF features a number of differences from the original prototype, including a redesigned front end and a relocated driver position.

Under the terms of a contract with FNSS, Indonesian manufacturer PT Pindad is producing most of the tanks (known as Harimau in Indonesian service) under licence.

Indonesia expects to receive a first batch of 18 Kaplan MTs by the end of 2021. A total of 52 more will be procured in 2022, followed by 19 in 2023 and 17 in 2024.