The Gowind 3100 tons is the most expensive light frigate yet lowly armed. You only have 16 short range Mica VLS of 16 km (effective range 12 km). Your land attack missle on konesburg 8 units. This mean your Maharaja lela cannot be efficient multi purpose light frigate (can do both AAW and ASW)

TLDM asked for ESSM VLS on MK41 launcher. Range 50 km for AAW. 8 silo can fill up to 32 VLS missile and Konesburg. But you traded the Essm vls mk 41 with the expensive short range MICA VLS.

Your Gowind Maharaja lela originally cost RM$1.52 billion a vessel. Not cost overrun and cost you RM$2.0 billion for such vessel. This defense procurement has fail

Finally after 4 years not even one of the 6 ship ever went on sea trial even RM$6 billion paid. If paid RM$6 billion , 4 vessels are ready but nothing ready. Too stealthy tak nampak. I read in Jane defence that builder ask for additional Rm$1.4 bil due to cost over run.

If not ready to do it , why built all here. Somemore you change the original design from 2500 tons to 3100 tons. You have never built a stealth warship, now even change design and try all here. I tabik at you all😁!!! .I bet if built 3 in Naval Group and 3 here, at least 3 sailing now and our engineers learn from the french. Sekian

This post has been edited by jwst1313: Sep 17 2021, 11:11 PM

What a hag, the LMS are 700 tons gun boat. Thats all

First you have to really understand the concept.


Meteor is an advanced missile that is designed to shoot down high speed and high maneuverability targets at long range. It is designed to exchange tracking data with the fighter jet in real time. Of course it needs to be integrated. As is advanced missiles like NSM that you can change the target mid flight.

missiles with fire and forget system, that just need to enter a coordinate and fly to the area before switching on its own radar to kill the ship does not need advanced integration. Which is why the houthis and hezbollah can fire anti ship missiles at israeli and uae ships just by putting the missile on the ground by the beachside.

Also i did say the anti ship missiles would be integrated with the ship, but not the ASW module and MCM module, which are standalone.

this is the description of the kraitarray
https://www.sea.co.uk/maritime/products/kraitarray/
it can be all stand-alone similar to fitment on USV, and all the sonar data is datalinked to the main gowind frigate, with the frigate processing and treating the additional sonar data from the alexLMS like data from helicopter dipping sonar or even aircraft sonobuoys, which is already regularly done. You combine multiple sources of sonar in a concept called multistatic sonar operations. If you understand the concept. The ASW module can be standalone on the alexLMS because it must be operated paired with the gowinds for ASW. All the complicated systems, operators, processors are onboard the Gowind. USN LCS ASW module is complicated as the ship must be able to execute ASW operations on its own with a module that is designed to be removable but totally linked to the LMS combat management system.

MCM module is also standalone, with the control modules put on an OSV, with the alexLMS carrying around and launching the USV and UUV minehunters.
https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/lima-2...n-at-lima-2019/

Kasi chan macha. Cronies need to makan oso. Deswai our military procurements are always crippled while certain pockets are filled to the brim

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multistatic sonar system

https://www.cmre.nato.int/news-room/former-...c-sonar-systems

my 1x Gowind and 2x alexLMS combination

active sonar (a hull-mounted or towed source in a frigate) - this will be the active CAPTAS2 sonar towed by the Gowind

passive array towed by another ship - this would be the two alexLMS towing the low cost passive kraitarray sonar or any similar low cost towed antisubmarine passive array sonar.

this would be supported by ASW helicopter on the Gowind, and MPA aircrafts.

Well it's not mine.
I'm not duli yang maha mulia seri paduka baginda yang di-Pertuan agong., I wish I were.


Joke aside. Yes it's a fail procurement.

MiCa are chosen compared to ESSM despite ESSM are a far better missiles but both cost about the same. We all know why they did it

Setis are use, despite request for tacticos also we all know why

Go for a custom made vessel, rather than something off the shelf them go buy the blueprint of those vessel pumping the price up 300% from original budget also we all know why.

But to bastard shipyards credit.
Technically the 1st ship are complete but some reports says navy refuse to sign the ship management system and thus it cannot work lah. It's all Hardware without any software install. Navy also reportedly keep changing spefication even after the steel are being cut which results in cost overun. Thought this is mostly their fault for being a dick to their own clients.

Also the price hike from 9 to 12 is not their fault. Mostly the fault of oil crisis that dropped the RM value. They also need to milk some money desperately since they are deeply in debt as a result of them being the white knight for the Kedah class.

It's a komedi really.

The Formidable Class of Singapore 3200 tons is actually smaller version of French La Fayette class 6000 tons also built by Naval Group (same company that built and design Gowind Maharaja lela)

Even Singapore ST Marine Engineering, they are very advanced in building vessel, never dare not take all change design vessel all built all in Singapore.

Instead they built one in Naval Group France and 5 in ST Marine Engineering. Why do that? Let your local engineers learn on the site.

Note only buy blue print only cannot built warship. If can do that better buy mercedes, bmw and F35 blue print and make here. Not that easy. Blue print is not eveeything.

The 1st vessel RSS Formidable was comissioned in 2007. The after that every year, 2 vessels.

Formidable class are more potent stealth ship

1) use Thales Herakles Pesa Radar (stronger)
2) Have 32 Aster 15 + Aster 30 Vls for air defence
3) Harpoon
4) Anti submarine torpedoe
5) Heli
6) Ciws

All are completed more then 6 years ago

How many of us are aware that TLDM have only 2 missile capable light frigate (2200 ton) which is the model F2000 purchased from UK in 1995/1996. They are the Lekiu Class. From 1995 to 2021 is 25 years. Both the Lekiu Class has been serving 25 years. Both vessel has undergone SLEP (service life extension program) in 2014/2015 to increase the operational life span of the very very old vessel.

Whose fault is it and why it is not corrected? Sekian. I am a rakyat Malaysia and it is very sad to see this happend to us.

See Formidable class below.






This post has been edited by jwst1313: Sep 18 2021, 08:35 AM

Every month I pay tax before I even use my salary😄😁

This post has been edited by jwst1313: Sep 18 2021, 08:46 AM

The picture of vessel 3 days ago when bustead announced in media launching 3rd LMS 700 metrics tons gun boat. Thr picture attach is wrong. That is the 3100 stealth maharaja lela gowind 3100 tons not ready one

The LMS is the middle picture 700 tons gun boat





This post has been edited by jwst1313: Sep 18 2021, 08:53 AM

PT PAL yesterday sign for 2 Arrowhead 140 Multi Purpose Frigate 5700 tons (both Air Defence and Anti Submarine capable)

32 Essm on MK 41 VLS
Ciws
Either Harpoon advanced
One Merlin Heli
Torpedoes

Built in Indonesia yard between PT PAL and designer Babcock UK

Arrowhead 140 is the similar design to Type 31 UK

There is no 6000 ton La fayette frigate.
Formidable class is 115m long ship. It is a shorter variant than the original 125m La fayete class.
Aster 15 only installed on it while the aster 30 is used as land based air defense.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Sep 18 2021, 09:12 AM

You have to understand Essm VLS MK 41, one silo can fill 4 missiles. This mean standard 8 silo fill up 32 missiles

In Mica and Aster, one silo fill up one missile. So 16 silio = 16 missile.

And Essm on VLS MK 41, is hot launch and the range is 50 km, Thai, Indonesia, Australia, Japan, South Korea, USA, Canada, New Zealand use VLS mk 41.

Important is the ships ready on time and built accordingly. You delay 4 years means fail

Thank you. Only 3800 tons+ for French Navy Tks

As long as the vessel ready on time. I wonder you are from bustead or not. If you are from spore, sorry for my error info.

But for bustead do you know you show a picture of LCS 3100 Tons gowind when you lauch 3rd LMS 700 tons gun boat? Two entirely different vessel la

This post has been edited by jwst1313: Sep 18 2021, 09:29 AM

I agree on that...
LCS is a repetition of NGPV, it is a failed one whatever how they finish the ship period.

How ID is building their local defence capability is much better than what TNI gets.
It is understandable because ID put heaviily their defence on their own hand. Building locally is very important to them.
PT PAL will be the most capable shipyard in the region.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Sep 18 2021, 09:40 AM

If you read PT PAL history, you understand,

Learn to crawl before you leap or climb.

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I perfectly understand that. read carefully what i write. Did not see my comment on quad packing?

I also would prefer our gowinds to have ESSM.

But the reality for our gowinds right now, if we still add another major change now, more money needs to be put into the project, and it will be delayed further, something we cannot afford.

also you must understand missiles evolve and improve.

the ESSM when we signed up for the gowinds, was a complicated missile that requires dedicated radar target illuminators to be added front and rear of the frigate, similar to how we need to operate the seawolfs on Lekiu. VL MICA can just use radar data from main ship radar only like from the SMART-S. less complications. But VL MICA is short range and ESSM is medium range. Only around 2020 ESSM Block 2 was modified to have the same system as MICA, no need for radar target illuminator. Then recently late 2020 VL MICA NG comes out with more than 40km range with the same size. it has dual pulse rocket motor, something simple in theory to extend the range by extending the burn time by putting pauses in the burn. in effect putting in a few seconds of glide in between rocket burn thus extending the range. Still the quad packing of ESSM is a very big advantage when compared to MICA.


https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/0...n-essm-block-2/


https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2021/0...das-vl-mica-ng/

PT PAL Indonesia in its article claimed they will be able to build 3 frigates in a year. Lets see if they can build 2 AH140 + 1 FREMM or vice versa in a year.



https://pal.co.id/2021/08/publikasi/news-be...-kawasan-asean/

This post has been edited by azriel: Sep 18 2021, 11:48 AM