Kejap lagi budak kiasu tu merasa.tertekan lah...hahaha
Hari itu kan kata kabar ID mana boleh percaya sangat...

FREMM and Arrowhead.....gandengan berbisa.

Like I said before sooner or later ID will become China of the region.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Sep 17 2021, 08:08 AM

congratulations to Indonesia

those are very good frigates.

Still waiting to see the plan on how PT PAL would build 6 FREMM and 2 Arrowhead 140 all at the same time.




This also should be a big wake-up call for Malaysia not to procrastinate and just get the Gowinds completed whatever it costs. And a wake-up call for the leadership of TLDM to stop planning for corvettes, OPVs or RLMS.

Not all FREMM will be build by Indonesia. Italy will build 4 FREMM while Indonesia to build 2 FREMM.

The LCS fiasco is not about the money....if there is a political will the problem will be solved immediately. How to solve it is the problem. Who is going to take the blaming game later?

LCS already made RMN stucked watching others building their muscle.
What mindef and all ATM branches need to do first is revisited all their plan 4nextg, cap 55, and 15 to 5. Those plans are already dead before started to answer future security situation.

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Sep 17 2021, 08:59 AM

Its a little bit bigger, 10m longer than bagan datuk.

What I plan for the alexLMS is to be TLDM's LMS batch 2, doing things MMEA does not do, like slinging missiles, hunting mines, hunting submarines alongside Gowinds. A large RLMS, or even souped up fully armed corvettes cannot do the multitude of things the alexLMS can do, and do it economically.

MMEA to get military grade weapons means MMEA need the manpower to be trained on these weapons, technicians to maintain those missiles etc. Which MMEA should not.

If MMEA wants a 2nd batch of NGPC, this ship is ideal. Same size as the bagan datuks, but with better speed and range.








This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 17 2021, 09:23 AM

A question to ponder.

Is the blaming game much more important than the survival of Malaysia as a country?

Can you politicians and military leaders sleep at night knowing that we don't have anything close to those FREMMs and Arrowhead 140s?

If you see any stateperson instead of just politician then you can have the answer.

Indonesia lately so aggressive in modernizing their military equipment even under the Pandemic time !!!!! Whereas Our Country - Aggressive in Political !!!!!

A reason why TLDM should not keep on wasting time pondering on RLMS and OPV Kedah batch 2 while bloody expensive are armed just with guns only








Yes need to revisit ASAP

Army
- put 6x6s to the side first.
- Shore based NSM coastal batteries
- UAVs for ISR and artillery targeting
- jammers such as the ASELSAN KORAL
- JERNAS replacement with VL MICA NG

Airforce
- Forget about MERAD, army with VL MICA NG would do the task of MERAD
- Get LCA/FLIT in the numbers we need quickly
- MALE UAV. Just get Bayraktar TB2 and be done with it.
- AWACS

Navy
- just forget about any OPVs/corvettes !!! Leave patrolling optimised ships to MMEA.
- Gowinds to be completed quickly + additional Gowinds
- Replacement of Lekiu+kasturi with large frigates after 2030. Idealy Type 31 same as Royal Navy
- Additional scorpenes, at least 1 more before 2030.
- looking seriously at large UUVs


This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 17 2021, 09:38 AM

new user or old miltard with new name??

According to source the radar for the Indonesian Navy Arrowhead 140s will be the non-rotating Thales Sea Master 400.

Even Aus already joined to build nuclear powered subs with UK and US. The total cost is $90billion.

ID reaction in defence building is still normal....it is MY who act unnormal

This post has been edited by Lampuajaib: Sep 17 2021, 11:55 AM

as usual... once a while we'll see a new guy suddenly crash into the tered, suggest all kinds of military wet dreams and turned on his 'i'm always right, others opinions are wrong' mode when get countered

way too small and too expensive for reality

seriously, how do you not realise that you are stuffing a destroyer's worth of requirements into a corvette-sized hull

why does indonesia go for so many variant of Frigate ?
Italy FREMM , Danish Iver Huitfeldt and now British Arrowhead 140 ?

Very True Also

It is the system installed not the platform that make so many variants.

Same size. A bit different in usage and thus prices i supposed

*Fremm is a front line combatants to bring the fight to the enemies
*Type 31 is mostly a support combatants, still capable but not a front line vessels and thus a whole lot cheaper
* Iver huitfeldt is either a specialized submarine hunters or a support vessel with RoRo for a sea mining platforms.

Going for multiple suppliers do allowed them to get good price on stuff, increase the diplomatic relationship with multiple countries but at the cost of higher cost of operations. A strategy that's said countries is a middle power and not an allies of anyone else. Same strategies MY used to employed but are now trying hard to get out off.

It does not have CIC, Big guns, any permanently mounted weapons except for a 30mm gun. It will just be a simple ship with a big rear deck. The basic ship performance is the one that is needed to be much more better than the LMS or even our current FACs.

It does not have to get every single module for every ship.

missile module is just 2 container sized worth per ship.

towed sonar module is just 1 container sized worth per ship. It does not even need to have anybody looking at the ASW data on board. All the data will be datalinked to the Gowinds, like how a ASW helicopter operates with its mothership ASW Frigate. The Gowind will control and decide where the alexLMS needs to go to detect subs.

The same if operated as part of MCM task force.




So for a fleet of 24 ships, maybe just 16 missile modules set, and 6 towed ASW sonar module is needed, as not all 24 ships would go out to sea at the same time.

MCM sets would be bought as a replacement for MCMV ships. Each MCM set is manned by their own specialized MCM operators. The MCM set can be operated from shore, OSV or OSV + alexLMS combo.

FREMM is the ASW

Type 31 is a GP frigate with minimal weapons in the RN version

Iver Huidtfelt in danish use is an advanced AAW warfare frigate with anti ballistic missile capability as capable as the Type 45 or Arleigh Burke.