You can.
If you ignore the law of physics.

Basically need to invest a bit more on the coast guard ship fixture & fitting as well as personel training?

Something the navy might want to offer help as the CG would play deputies to them during wartimes.

No laws of physics broken if you have bothered to read my comments.

then there's no point buying modules, might as well just hardwire it lol

ASW helicopters > towed ASW for many reasons by the way. One of which being the range of operations, and another being that typically one needs 2 ASW units to "herd" a sub.

The playbook of my alexLMS being the "wingman" to the gowind frigates is similar. It gives the advantage of multiple ASW frigates deployed but with low cost.

The task force would consist of

1x Gowind frigate as the main ASW platform

2x alexLMS with KraitArray towed Anti-Submarine Warfare Sonar module operating in similar way to "herd" a sub




The Gowind frigate will deploy its towed CAPTAS2 variable depth sonar.

The alexLMS will deploy their towed thin line KraitArray towed Anti-Submarine Warfare Sonar. Small size, maneuverability, speed and range of the alexLMS means that you can play the ASW game for days at end.

So there will be 3 towed sonars in the water, that can be used for triangulation to search for the submarine by processors that can take datas from multiple sonar sources.

All well in theory and not unprecedented, but of course there are pros and cons which is why more capable navies consider Helis and MPAs vital to the ASW mission

Besides, as I've said before you should consider your force structure not in an empty void but against an expected threat

I hope you understand my narrative right. I am pushing this not against buying ASW Helis or MPAs, but pushing this cheaper and more versatile option against the navy getting useless much more expensive RLMS like ships for LMS Batch 2.

We can innovate and be the benchmark for the future, or we can imitate others even if it is not exactly suitable for our needs.

Yes of course we still need ASW helis for our Gowind frigates.

We still need MPAs as the eye in the sky.




Yes I fully consider my force structure against an expected threat. Not against China that is invading us, but a China wanting to keep us out of the South China Sea. A strong MMEA with large OPVs and adequate array of other ships to keep Chinese Coast Guard from harassing our economic activities day in and out, with a lean heavily armed TLDM able to strike back if anyone want to start any conflicts.

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 17 2021, 04:38 PM

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Technically we are the one who wants to keep china out of southern portion of South China sea. Not the other way around.

Again 10 of your ideal ship are already built with 8 more OTW. So why are the talk still around that those ship aren't there in the first place.

Not to mention
How to buy modules that's hasn't been invented yet?

Seem like talk of modules had dies down these few years and most navy who once thought about modules are hardwiring it instead.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 17 2021, 04:40 PM

You can just lean and memorize all the history of things like US Navy LCS, or you can actually learn from its failures and create a better system.

US Navy wants its LCS to be the lead platform for ASW modules, MCM modules, with the crew of the LCS to operate those things. It is a complicated thing to do.

My alexLMS crew only need to know how to operate the missile module Thats it. ASW module operation, the sonar data will be datalinked to Gowind frigate, and alexLMS crew just follow directions from the Gowind on where to go. Same as for MCM mission. The alexLMS crew is just going to sail the ship to where the MCM module crews wants them to go.




A missile module is just 2 flat TEU containers put side-by-side with missiles bolted onto it. 4 anti-ship missiles facing right, 4 anti-ship missiles facing left, with vertical missile launchers in the middle.





ASW module already created. This is the towed thin line KraitArray towed Anti-Submarine Warfare Sonar module.






MCM modules already being made by many companies





This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 17 2021, 05:08 PM

Yes, we must push back against a china now that wants to keep us out of south china sea. that is what i wrote.

Our goal should be to keep South China Sea open as per UNCLOS.




What is that 10 ship actually?

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 17 2021, 04:57 PM

Innovation is typically a strategy for the market leaders who have the necessary resources to spend on R&D

Imitation is typically a strategy for the rest of the market who do not have the resources but hope to achieve cost efficiency

Which do you think we are in the realm of defence technology?

So your force structure is intended to strike back at China? Well what is your expected opposition, in terms of numbers and capabilities? This is step 1 of defence planning...

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We don't innovate by creating something new, but we innovate by getting and combining existing things that other people have not thought of doing. The ship, the weapons, the towed ASW sonar, is all off the shelf. No need at all to reinvent the wheel.


The main force structure is of a TLDM that can strike back at chinese ships and submarines if they start shooting at us. A force that could easily be paid for with the money we don't spend on lousy RLMS or Kedah Batch 2 OPVs. Also a force structure that can have good situational awareness of all PLAN assets in our EEZ, either in the air, on the surface or underwater.

For full tracking of underwater forces in our south china sea EEZ off borneo, TLDM should have a minimum of 2 Gowind task force at sea all the time. That is 2 gowinds + 4 alexLMS with ASW module at sea everytime. Geospatial satellite image of PLAN base in Hainan will be monitored 24/7 to check which sub is at base, and which sub is on mission. The sea would be patrolled by TUDM MPA, when any submarine signature is found with MAD, a gowind task force will be sent to that location to tail the submarine. So there should not be any surprises from any submarines in our waters.

If the shooting starts, i expect our surface ships in south china will be strike hard and sunk no matter how good their weapons are. The PLAN has ballistic anti-ship missiles and Hypersonic anti-ship missiles that we have no countermeasure for. The alexLMS will play far from the south china sea in this scenario, doing area denial of chinese shipping in melacca straits, pulau banggi and tawau waters. Any counterstrikes against PLAN navy ships in our EEZ would be with our subs and TUDM MRCAs. Large long range UUVs would be used to mine Chinese harbours and also launch counterattack missile strike against PLAN bases. We should not expect to win, but to buy time to bring support from our allies.

If there is no shooting war, then our MMEA should be the main force pushing back Chinese Coast guard from harassing our economic activities in South china sea, of course with the support of all of the TLDM surface fleet.

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 17 2021, 05:57 PM

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Off the shelf item doesn't mean plug & play like in a PC. You still need intergration, certifying, software writing, and if it draw more power, more generator, more radar & equipment for example. Remember that to put BVR on FA50 would double the price.or how those refitted in our Sukhoi increase the acquisition costs.


A bit different.

Seem your strategy is about building lots of ship to match the Chinese, something they can afford due to the huge resources & manpower they have and assume the conflict is about borders dispute.

Their aim is not to keep us out of SCS,what they wanted is to expand until the SOM, Sunda & Makassar straits to 'liberate' those choke point and allowed flow of traffic to be under their control. They are using borders dispute mostly as an excuse similar to their approach in the senkaku. What they really wanted is to be liberated from the 1st island chain.So What we want is a strategy that halt their expansion near Philippines and not further.

Learn from the Philippines mistake of not having a workable air force thus they compete with the Chinese with ship, ship that the Chinese has more than them and thus they lose Access to reefs. They then have FA50, but FA50 can't strike maritime target nor can exploit Chinese jet weakness in BVR, and thus Chinese able to occupied reef and build a base with them unable to do anything about it. and now use those base to threaten Philippines to do china bidding. They could halt the Chinese a bit by getting F16 but the Chinese are pressuring them not to.

In our case, they don't care much about James Shoal, which as you said several meter deep underwater, they care about Luconia shoals which actually Above waterline with U/W features that good enough to built a base on. In this case they want to cease it, create a military base on it. Point the missiles at us and put fighters jet on it.

Once they get James shaol they would move to the Natuna and then further & further & further. So if you want to create a defense white paper, those are the things you should consider. What you shouldn't do is imagine it as another piedra Blanca. Putting more boat to match them, would incentives them to put more boat and overtime you would be overwhelmed by their numbers of boat because of the resources & manpower they have. If you keep insisting that this is just another piedra Blanca, others would look at you funny.


As for your dream ship there's already 4 Chinese LMS & 6 NGPC already with 8 more NGPC OTW.

This post has been edited by darth5zaft: Sep 17 2021, 06:08 PM

You add MICA to tun fatimah no need to add CMS, 3D radar ah?

What software you want to write when the ASW and MCM module is not need to be integrated to the ship and is all standalone?

We are not the Philippines. We have MKM and Hornet that the philippines don't, but now we need LCA like FA50 to replace our worn out hawks.


Those ships don't have 28+ knots speed. Don't have range to travel at least 2500 nm at full speed. Don't have large deck to place systems such as MCM.

You do realise it's not all put together by USB connectors?

If it's so easy, system and weapons integration wouldn't be a challenge for even superpowers to pull off.

is this realistic considering the opposition force assessment?

1) that's why I said 500 mil ain't going to buy us much particularly with the weak RM Nowdays. 500 mil a piece is the original budget for a single LCS back then, need a bit of a top up for a marthadinata class back then. With rm 500 mil nowdays we can't even get a Diponegoro class. manhen said recently only 8 RLCS (down from 18 to 12 to 8) would be bought next year, 2 MRSS by 2024, 6 NGPV by 2026. Hopefully those NGPV get a size upgrade like RLCS and get to type 31 size.

2) that's the reason why them Chinese hasn't been very aggressive here compared to there.the more foreign battleship coming, the bigger ID & SG ship get the better.at the end we can't do it alone. Off course them coming might triggered them Chinese to suddenly get aggressive and build a base on luconia. At this point in time i say AF built up is more important than navy build up.

3) well there's 8 NGPC more to come, and they already say they open for new design.

Which is why i say - no integration with the ship at all for ASW and MCM modules. All standalone. US Navy is having headaches to intergrade various things WITH THE SHIP.

KISS

The ASW module is standalone, and will datalink all the information from the sonar back to the Gowind mothership. The information will be procesed on board the Gowind similarly to a data from say a sonobuoy sonar or a dipping sonar from a helicopter.

Similarly to the MCM module, it is all standalone. The ship is just a place to bring it around. The module can be put on land or even on OSV if needed.

Anyway superpowers design their ships to play in other peoples backyard thousands of miles away from home. We are playing in our own backyard.



I could elaborate on exactly how I would do it, but not on an open forum.

This post has been edited by alexz23: Sep 17 2021, 08:08 PM

Well if superpower design thing to operate in other people backyards wouldn't it mean it design to operate in our backyard?

Any good reason not to go for cost effective off the shelf solution but rather go for custom made solution?

I mean at the end, it's not like we have local abilities to do the integration ourselves and would relied on those superpowers firms anyway.

this is like saying, USB drive don't even need to be plugged in, it can operate standalone; driver conflict problems happen because you plug in the USB, solution is just leave the USB unplugged

bruh

LMAO

trust me buddy, nobody's looking to you for super secret war winning battle strategy

the solution to integration is simple, just don't plug it in

someone should tell that to the British: https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/italy-.../145515.article



BODO BAHLUL BETUL, JUST MAKE THE MISSILE "MODULAR", PUT THE MISSILE ON THE GROUND, DON'T ATTACH IT TO THE F-35, DON'T NEED TO INTEGRATE LAH!



This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Sep 17 2021, 09:59 PM

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The top and bottom picture vessel is same, the LCS kelas maharajalela stealth missile frigate which not delivered. Late 4 years.

The vessel that delivered 2 days ago by Bousted is the LMS 700 tons (middle picture) , no missle only gun.

2 days ago bousted launch 3rd LMS but the photo they use is not correct. They use the kelas maharaja lela gowind stealth frigate picture as the LMS . How can show this mistakes Boustead??

LMS is china made Keris Klass only 700 metric tons only guns

LCS in French Naval Group Maharaja lela Kelas Gowind is 3100 metric tons missile frigate. LCS very stealth. Langsung rak nampak

Bousted, please la correct your mistake

This post has been edited by jwst1313: Sep 17 2021, 10:52 PM