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post Nov 13 2021, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 12 2021, 01:48 PM)
Then after that we have raptorlake die shrink to 7nm(5nm) to face off zen4 and metoer lake is where intel will go full bonkers to face of zen5 with foveros, emib tiles and 5nm(3nm)

All in all, good times ahead for consumers.
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raptorlake is still on intel7 like alderlake. no die shrink from alderlake. for meteorlake, it will be on intel4 and that's only for the core die. other dies use different process nodes from within and outside intel.

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post Nov 13 2021, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 13 2021, 02:38 PM)
Intel7 is current 10nm. Raptorlake rumours say it was 7nm which is later rebranded to intel5 before the name change. Anyways everything still speculation.
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Intel 7nm is Intel4 to be used for Meteorlake's core die.

Back in july, the ceo announced only

intel7 intel4 intel3 intel20a and intel18a

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post Nov 13 2021, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 13 2021, 02:38 PM)

Anyways intel has a clear node advantage over tsmc. They can hit 5ghz all core while Tsmc still cannot unless with pretty hardcore cooling solution or liquid nitrogen.
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intel is using tsmc for future products too. so we will see as this shows intel's confidence on tsmc technology.
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post Nov 13 2021, 06:32 PM

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as far as i know, TSMC has enough supplies for Apple, AMD, and Intel on their N3. the N3 version used by Apple is different from the one to be used by AMD and Intel. but anyhow, Apple will have its chip first out of the gate using N3. intel is not going all-in with TSMC and used up every capacity from TSMC as intel needs to fill the capacity that intel has internally. amd and TSMC are close collaborators especially on the packaging side. while intel is using N3 but they are still a competitor to TSMC.

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post Nov 13 2021, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Nov 13 2021, 07:04 PM)
No, they are all on the same node with the same pool. AMD is the biggest client for 7nm but as top client overall it as apple and they get all the priorities. While intel cut the queue and booked early. AMD's standing meant nothing to TSMC and TSMC can lansi with their first come first serve policy because everyone wants their slot.. qualcom nvidia included... lol.

Anyways, the allocation only opens up in late 2023 for AMD at the moment so i suppose their zen5 launch will be early 2024 or will just be like zen3... print as they sell lolol. Or maybe just go for the 4nm instead which is vacant. (And rumours in circulation that they will use 4nm)

TSMC and AMD were not close collaborator, it is more like TSMC came out with the tech and tells amd... "hey you wanna try this?" AMD is basically just "borrowing" or rather literally a customer of an OEM. For example the 3D thing that is called TSMC 3D fabric has been on the market since 2020. AMD's success is basically entirely credited to TSMC..... so much so that apple will also be using that 3D stacking tech next year lolol.

As for intel, gotta give them credit because they have to make the fab and come out with foveros and emib on their own from scratch.... and design the cpu all at the same time.

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what i can say for now is that intel is not going all-in with TSMC and used up every capacity from TSMC as intel needs to fill the capacity that intel has internally.
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post Aug 23 2022, 01:49 AM

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Intel 14th gen Meteor Lake SoC teased to the public. Coming next year.

Disaggregated architecture like AMD Ryzen. TSMC gets to fabricate 3 out of the 4 dies.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-det...-and-lunar-lake

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-reveals-m...or-2023-laptops

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post Sep 30 2022, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(xxboxx @ Sep 28 2022, 09:23 AM)
That was fast. Just after Ryzen review come out. 13900k also cheaper by 100 dollar against 7950x
This time looks like Intel fighting back to get PC build market share.
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that 13900k at 589 usd is not the price you'll get as it is the RCP not retail price. unless you buy 1000 units of the CPU.
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post Dec 13 2022, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(Bonchi @ Dec 13 2022, 06:43 PM)
It will be new socket so got option to upgrade.
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next year intel desktop only have Raptor Lake refresh on same socket.

new socket will be in 2024 only with Meteorlake and Arrowlake considered as same gen.

2023 Meteorlake is for laptop.

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post Feb 27 2023, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Feb 27 2023, 08:31 PM)
got news intel pushing meteor lake s desktop after all with 6P + 16E

so maybe 14th gen will be the new socket
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there's no 616 die for mtl but only 68 die launching end of the year if Intel4 process no problem.

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 21 2024, 12:03 PM)
Mlies faster = at least 30% more than 9000X3D. Means probably 60% or more than 9950X. They will go this path if they want to make sure AMD has no counter. We gotta pay for it though. Its not unexpected if Intel gets back the performance crown.
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don't think arrowlake will do 60% better than 9950X.

zen5 is amazing for achieving what it has on tsmc n4p node. while arrowlake is on tsmc n3b/intel20a node.

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post Jul 21 2024, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Jul 21 2024, 12:31 PM)
Raptor Lake = 10nm
Intel 20A = 2nm

Current AMD CPU is TSMC 4nm. Imagine Intel packing at least 400% more transistors if they use 20A, jumping from 10nm. That is a big stepup. The challenge using 20A is the heat when they pump the clockspeed.
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technically raptor lake is intel7 (10nmESF) equivalent to tsmc 7nm. and intel20A is equivalent to tsmc 3nm. so about 2 generation behind only.

and arrowlake desktop i9 will be on n3b not 20A.

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maybe after some update down the road will get better performance?

 

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