guess i'll grab thermalright then. cuz I was also wondering about the difference between that and thermal grizzly. most likely der8auer tax.

Intel is the New AMD.

As now AMD worth 2x Intel
Nvidia worth almost 9x intel.


now intel is the smallest in 3


SUPPORT INTEL to keep them alive

This is actually quite insane when you remember AMD was at the verge of bankruptcy 6 years ago before Zen resurrected them.

This post has been edited by solarmystic: Jun 30 2023, 03:06 PM

is Dr.Lisa Su.

Zen was 1 of her plan.


not just Zen

but also dominate entire Console Industry

14th Gen, 1700 socket still right?

For desktop, yep. 14th gen Raptor Lake Refresh conlanfirm LGA 1700 also.

Dr lisa is actually just CEO, man behind Zen architecture is Jim Keller
without him AMD would probably end up in Intel gut for its GPU IP, or Nvidia for it's x86 license, assume the x86 license is transferable.

though SEC or US FED will probably block the aquisition.
Just imagine the pc scene without Ryzen and the Radeon GPU, intel still selling the quaddy for 999, 4090 would need to sell off one of your kidney

Brother, in Msia here with our inflation it takes both our kidneys....

Hi guys, should wait for new intel processor or current would be good enough? Helping my fren to assemble pc. Maybe i5 would be suffice

If going for a lower end budget build, current i5-12400 or even 12100 would be more than sufficient.

13th gen lower end parts are overpriced for what they offer compared to 12th gen. 13100 is just 12100 with slight oc and 13400 is only useful in productivity over the 12400, in gaming the difference is negligible and not worth the extra money paid.

This post has been edited by solarmystic: Jul 2 2023, 03:10 PM

tight budget - 12100f

Bare minimum - 12400f

Very attractive - 12600kf (same price as 13400f), unlocked with higher boost and tdp

Mid-range - 13600k/kf

If u luv to tinker around, 12600kf is the answer. pair it with a entry level Z690 (MSI)

For intel CPU no point to wait (if want 12th gen) unless ur hoping for price drops on 13th gen when 14th gen comes out in Q4 2023/Q1 2024.

For i5 CPU i dont foresee any significant technological changes, even 14th gen it will likely still remain 6Pcores with HT and possibly more useless Ecores. Right now ady can get 12600K/ 13500/ 13600K with the same features so I dont see any reason to hope for something better later.

Even with a B660/B760 mobo, a Ksku is still beneficial since it can up the VCCSA if wanting to run 3600-4000MHZ DDR4 ram @G1 mode. But in Msia, Ksku prices usually a few RM away from the next CPU tier so unless there is good bargain its not really value for money. Sadly.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jul 2 2023, 05:53 PM

Wow

Not that surprising when you remember that the 3700X cost around 1.3K when launched back in 2019 and the 9900K was a RM 2K++ CPU when it launched in 2018.

AMD didn't beat Intel in gaming until Zen 3 5000 series.

This post has been edited by solarmystic: Jul 4 2023, 05:11 AM

Zen 1 & 2 was a poor gaming CPU because the nature of MCX and process node limitations then, each CCX was 4 cores so that CPU itself was really 4+4 cores and that lead to high latencies in games that uses more than 4 cores as the CCX need to 'talk' with each other over a physically separated bus. The higher IPC of Zen could not overcome the longer signal time when CCX crosstalks.

For Zen 3, the node improvements meant they could cram up to 8 cores into 1 CCX and while Zen 3 physically is still the same MCX, it is actually operating as 8+8 cores and for games the 6-8 cores count are ideal. By only prioritising one CCX for games, it now operates like a monolithic CPU similar to Intel's, and coupled with Zen's superior IPC & power efficiency, this is why games took a huge leap with Zen 3. This is also why X3D is stacked onto only one CCX, games simply don't need more than 8 cores at least for now.

One thing that such comparos forget to mention is that platforms built with Zen2 could still be upgraded to Zen 3 (and technically is still alive with the latest CPU launched this week), those who were on 9900K had no upgrade path.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-sunsets-n...uc-product-line
https://www.techpowerup.com/311098/intel-di...c-product-range

Intel will no longer make NUC products



This post has been edited by Skylinestar: Jul 12 2023, 11:02 AM

Pretty nice compact stuff except they are darn expensive for the Nuc 12/13 extreme making them niche products

RPL-R is becoming reality and slated as the 14th Gen.
https://www.techpowerup.com/311026/report-c...ting-in-october

And this round it doesnt appear that it will come with a new mobo series iteration ie 800 series, as that generation looks to be for Meteor/Arrowlake aka LGA1851.

So Intel LGA1700 isnt so deadend as Ryzen fanbois claimed, with 3 CPU gens under it this could almost match with Ryzen platform longevity.

The downer is no further changes to Pcores as still remain 8core but continue bumping up useless Ecores
https://www.techpowerup.com/311050/8p-16e-d...-core-hx-lineup

As someone who uses Handbrake and Blender regularly, the e-cores haven't been useless at all.

To get better all core productivity on the AMD side you need to go up to the 7900X/7950X (expensive af). Intel's current overall best bang for buck champion in everything, the 13600KF, obliterates the whole AMD stack in all core productivity workloads other than those two AMD CPUs.

As a gamer, yes, i wish they'd stuff more P-cores, but 8, hell 6 (as seen in the 13600K beating the 12900K in gaming with 2 less P Cores), is still enough for games.

This post has been edited by solarmystic: Jul 12 2023, 05:42 PM