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babylon52281
post Mar 1 2023, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Mar 1 2023, 09:56 AM)
the price difference betwwen 7800x3d and 13900kf is around rm200-300... it doesn't save that much. 13900kf is well more better value for less platform issue headaches and way bigger productivity performance. Plus if we sacrificed productivity for cheaper 7800x3d, we could save on intel by going for 13700kf too.

Yes raptor lake is a dead platform, but you could also pair cheaper 13700kf with cheaper b760 boards like the msi b760 mortar wifi (both around rm2700+). When new platform comes out, can sell off the raptor lake cpu and motherboard in one go. Meanwhile even the cheap but good b650 boards are like rm1200 (so 7800x3d+b650 = rm3300+).

The 13700kf just slower abit in gaming, but it is nearly 50% faster than 5800x3d in productivity. And like what happens to the 5800x3d on CPU multicore heavy games, once more PS5 cross platform titles comes out to PC, games in the future might be way more CPU multicore heavier in the future and favour more cpu grunt.

Lastly we haven't seen how the future is for the CPU battle yet, who knows arrow lake will be the bomb, does platform longevity matters that time when the competitor is better (if that happens).
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Imho platform longevity is really over hyped unless you upgrade constantly and jump to each new family of CPU. Most users would buy and hardly upgrade either CPU or mobo that often, moreso when hardware cost is expensive in Asia/Malaysia, so for the majority its better to just change the whole thing when upgrading in 4-5 years anyhow.

Also, sticking to a platform means it would be outdated as others keep on improving. 1st gen Ryzen X370 maxed out RAM at 3200 OCed so it could not make use of faster RAMs thats available today, its also limited to PCIE Gen3 when GPUs these days are at Gen4 so it wont able to fully utilise like a 4090, the same limitations that it oso cannot make use the speed of Gen4 NVME SSD, nor does most have Type C USB3.2.

With such CPU limitations and mobo limitations, platform longevity doesnt make much sense.
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post Mar 1 2023, 11:05 AM

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It depends whether people play games which is cache intensive, AMD is leading the benchmark especially in 99th percentile FPS in those titles.
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post Mar 1 2023, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Mar 1 2023, 02:01 AM)
4cores, that is bare minimum specs for AAA games these days, sure it can play for now but it will be obsolete pretty much soon. For those really hard budget, yeah it will work but I would prefer to just save some more money and get a 12400F at the minimum, it isnt that much more expensive https://www.lazada.com.my/products/intel-co...3356187914.html?
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This is NOT meant for you. And NOT everyone plays AAA games !
This will suffice for those on shoe string budget or for a secondary rig.
What do u mean by isn't much more expensive ? It will mean a LOT for ppl on budget. 12100f less than 400 , that 12400f abt 700+ bucks. That's 75%++ more to pay out of pocket.
Respect those on Budget, dude.
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post Mar 1 2023, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Mar 1 2023, 02:46 PM)
This is NOT meant for you. And NOT everyone plays AAA games !
This will suffice for those on shoe string budget or for a secondary rig.
What do u mean by isn't much more expensive ? It will mean a LOT for ppl on budget. 12100f less than 400 , that 12400f abt 700+ bucks. That's 75%++ more to pay out of pocket.
Respect those on Budget, dude.
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12100f is still a very capable gaming cpu, it's on par with 8700k or slightly better for gaming. perfect to pair up to rtx2060 gpu
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post Mar 1 2023, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(targon @ Mar 1 2023, 02:46 PM)
This is NOT meant for you. And NOT everyone plays AAA games !
This will suffice for those on shoe string budget or for a secondary rig.
What do u mean by isn't much more expensive ? It will mean a LOT for ppl on budget. 12100f less than 400 , that 12400f abt 700+ bucks. That's 75%++ more to pay out of pocket.
Respect those on Budget, dude.
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https://www.techspot.com/review/2409-intel-core-i3-12100f/

Steven Walton: [That configuration is more than capable of tackling all the latest games at sufficiently high frame rates (you will need a GPU of course), and we suspect it will be better than a 'make do' solution for at least the next few years.

Of course, the same package but with the 12400F will set you back $380, just $60 more for a better performing CPU, that should last a bit longer into the future. Personally, we'd go with the Core i5-12400F]
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post Mar 1 2023, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Mar 1 2023, 04:07 PM)
12100f is still a very capable gaming cpu, it's on par with 8700k or slightly better for gaming. perfect to pair up to rtx2060 gpu
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u are precisely right.......when paired with an entry level Gpu.
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post Mar 1 2023, 05:22 PM

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https://www.techpowerup.com/305238/intel-to...esktop-platform
[ It turns out now, that both the "Raptor Lake Refresh" and "Meteor Lake" architectures are coming to desktop—we just don't know when.]
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post Mar 1 2023, 06:16 PM

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https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ryzen-78...preview/23.html
Review of 7800X3D simulated performance via disabling 1 CCD of 7950X3D showed a <1% gain vs 13900K but keep in view KS is 2% above Ksku. Still I would say wait for the actual CPU to come out and get reviewed.

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post Mar 21 2023, 06:59 PM

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https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel%E2%...ugust-2023.html

LGA1700 platform will still continue to breath coming into 2024, perhaps will only be replaced by Q3 2024. This gives 1st gen ADL users ability to upgrade the CPU 3 years after the initial launch back in 2021. So 3 years longevity vs 5 years Ryzen 7000s aint that bad after all.

Additionally
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intels-de...es-chipset.html
Arrowlake is still on as the proper desktop new gamechanger Tile CPU with its proper 8 Pcores.
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post Mar 21 2023, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Mar 1 2023, 06:16 PM)
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/ryzen-78...preview/23.html
Review of 7800X3D simulated performance via disabling 1 CCD of 7950X3D showed a <1% gain vs 13900K but keep in view KS is 2% above Ksku. Still I would say wait for the actual CPU to come out and get reviewed.
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It's no going to make any difference all this 1-2% difference nonsense.
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post Mar 23 2023, 01:52 AM

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QUOTE(targon @ Mar 21 2023, 08:11 PM)
It's no going to make any difference all this 1-2% difference nonsense.
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When dudes are comparing their Epeen, that 1% longer makes all the difference.
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post Mar 23 2023, 09:06 AM

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Hi guys,
I got i9 13900 non k as a present from my wife.
But knowing that this cpu is power hungry, can b760 board like asrock b760m steel legend or asus rog strix b760-a handle it?

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post Mar 23 2023, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(our_team89 @ Mar 23 2023, 09:06 AM)
Hi guys,
I got i9 13900 non k as a present from my wife.
But knowing that this cpu is power hungry, can b760 board like asrock b760m steel legend or asus rog strix b760-a handle it?
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You can check reviews. Often they like to use 13900K so if it works then ur nonK is ok.
The Steel Legend has same VRM setup as this Sonic mobo
https://www.funkykit.com/reviews/motherboar...board-review/9/

Rog Strix can try sendiri cari & compare.
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post Mar 23 2023, 11:07 AM

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What is the point of having high end for gamming when our malaysia internet line is like yo yo.
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post Mar 23 2023, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(our_team89 @ Mar 23 2023, 09:06 AM)
Hi guys,
I got i9 13900 non k as a present from my wife.
But knowing that this cpu is power hungry, can b760 board like asrock b760m steel legend or asus rog strix b760-a handle it?
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It shld be fine to handle 13900 (non-k)
You have several options there , Asrock B760 steel legend / Sonic , Asus B760-A / B760-G , MSi B760m Mortar
depending on whether u re willing to accept D5
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competitive game, cgso, fortnite, dota 2, valorant not require much CPU intense right?

CPU + graphical + gpu ultra set on doom , metro series, cyberpunk .. yes i agree.

then why got Intel Vs AMD on gaming ya?
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post Mar 24 2023, 01:33 AM

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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Mar 23 2023, 11:07 AM)
What is the point of having high end for gamming when our malaysia internet line is like yo yo.
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I primarily play single player games because playing with people is tiring rather than enjoyable and I'd like to turn on eyecandy if possible.
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post Mar 24 2023, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(cawan @ Mar 23 2023, 03:40 PM)
competitive game, cgso, fortnite, dota 2, valorant not require much CPU intense right?

CPU + graphical + gpu ultra set on doom , metro series, cyberpunk .. yes i agree.

then why got Intel Vs AMD on gaming ya?
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Modern AAA titles now recommend 6big cores CPU and soon even 8 big cores as recommendation will be the norm. You can play light games on weaker CPU but on AAA titles you will have suboptimal experience.
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QUOTE(OlgaC4 @ Mar 23 2023, 11:07 AM)
What is the point of having high end for gamming when our malaysia internet line is like yo yo.
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Back on my Unifi days. TM is scared of me. Sure complain to MCMC when I catch the problem is on their side.

Another option is VPN.

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post Mar 25 2023, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(TristanX @ Mar 25 2023, 02:23 PM)
Back on my Unifi days. TM is scared of me. Sure complain to MCMC when I catch the problem is on their side.

Another option is VPN.
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