Well there's a lot of caveats to that really. It will depend whether on Win10 or Win11 as the latter is better optimised at thread direction usage. The tester is using Win11 alrite but if it were to redo with Win10 the results is likely to be much different.

Also even with Win11, its still game dependent and older game engines aren't able to optimally use the Pcores; this is mentioned by other reviewers before but I malas to get the links. Anyhow you can see in that utube Average FPS Difference where older game engines AOTS, Riftbreaker, MetroE has negative performance while newer games Hogwarts, MW2, showed positive results.

In the end it really depends if you play older games, do disable Ecores. But if you play more up to date games on Win11, the Ecores will eventually be useful, as it should be.

For Win10 users, there is a program called Process Lasso to manually set core affinity per app which is basically manually setting thread direction that is being done automatically by Win11. But myself malas to do it since as long as the games/apps can run at an acceptable speed, that extra few % won't make much difference.

There will be some core specific apps ie Handbrake that at default only uses Ecores but those are outliers and easy to fix.

it's mostly gone wonky because intel P cores are given to apps that has "normal" process priority, but sometimes had to force those apps to "Above Normal" to be able to use all the cores.

the part i lazy about setting affinity is apps like folding@home, it always defaults to e cores, and everytime it finished a work unit it'll reset the core affinity again, kinda annoying. I ran folding when i play games that uses like half gpu power

Yeah, I guess there is that (what you described above).

But for average gamers, testing each game to see the impact is not something they would do routinely. And the hassle of turning ecores on and off for different scenarios. Well, maybe if the fps is very low or the microstutters are frequent.

Any software that is small and can help turn off ecores with few button clicks or shortcut?

This post has been edited by kmarc: Feb 24 2023, 09:20 AM

Which is why my mantra is to buy CPU ahead of the curve and sacrifice the GPU level a bit, ie get an 8 Pcore CPU when the recommended is 6core as in time it will age more gracefully and able to keep up with a GPU upgrade years later that might just do 4090 performance in an xx60 class (that is if Nvidia stops being a greedy a-hole and regressing their tech). Conversely a 6core 12600 might sooner be bottlenecked.

AFAIK no software that can disable Ecore except go into bios and disable there. Imho if you have a i7 grade 12/13gen it doesnt matter Ecores disabled anyhow as the CPU has plenty of threads to run games efficiently while running windows at background. This could be a limiting factor for i5 users tho.

got news intel pushing meteor lake s desktop after all with 6P + 16E

so maybe 14th gen will be the new socket

This post has been edited by terradrive: Feb 27 2023, 08:31 PM

there's no 616 die for mtl but only 68 die launching end of the year if Intel4 process no problem.

This post has been edited by ipohps3: Feb 27 2023, 08:36 PM

there is 6+16 in dev along with 6+8

that's good news. those already on Alders ought to skip Raptors and wait for Meteors. Cos for most part, both are the same family.

7950X3D is about 1% average better than 13900K
https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/amd_r..._review,30.html
But
13900KS is about 2% average better than 13900K
https://www.techspot.com/review/2607-intel-core-i9-13900ks/

So depending on individual reviewer, Raptor king is still on top or evenly with the new X3D king

that's.... probably kinda hurt the hearts of amd users that waited for 13900k killer :X

For a ADL i7 user, it would be pointless as MTL will only max out at 6 Pcores, unless there is significant boost to Pcore IPC. The gains are mainly in the more Ecores which is useless for gamers. For RKL & ADL i7 users, perhaps the next gen to wait for is Arrowlake(ARL) as its a return back to 8 Pcores.

it's built for laptops in mind so the crestmont E cores is probably new core and better IPC than what Alder lake and raptor lake has.

Well, I used to have both amd & Intel at the same time. But Amd platforms sucks in quality and consistency.
U can't trust those reviews and what they say. Cos they always assume "BUGS" will be fixed out. In reality it's different story with amd.

Are AMD that terrible as a typical user daily driver PC? I find it hard to believe it can so unusable when I see many AMD Ryzen users stuck to their platform and proudly going from 1000series then 3000 then up to 5000 series. If I were building a PC 2-3 years ago I would be tempted to get an AMD Ryzen.

U just have to try one and if u re unlucky enuff to end up with a lousy silicon. Then congrats to u.
Plus minor platform bugs that are nuisances. (some might not be fixed by Amd despite the promises)
(Previously bought a 5950x and it Bsod at idle in windows and this is at stock settings. Ended up returning the cpu+a high end mobo to the retailer). So i m now all for intel now.


Added: Build a new Budget gaming system lately out of some new parts and some spare at hand just to see what it can do. U did be surprised what a modern i3 Quad core still can do nowadays, especially if u pay less than 400 bucks for it.

A 12100f (can be found at some shops at less than Rm400)/13100f , B660 mobo D4 and a Rx 6600 (Rm999 now, abt rm2200 a year ago) will suffice for those on a super strict budget. Pair it with a fast nvme drive and good Rams.

The above runs pretty cool and do not require much cooling fans.

This post has been edited by targon: Feb 28 2023, 05:09 PM

3 things though:

1) 7800x3D will be much cheaper than the 13900K and will either match or beat it in gaming.

2) Raptor Lake is a dead platform, Zen 4 isn't.

3) Power consumption on the 7950x3D is half that of the 13900k... even less if you set it to prefer the cache CCD.

Work and productivity wise, they're basically neck-and-neck. It depends what you're specifically using it for.
That said, Zen 4 is still quite a flaky platform. Apparently the long-ass POST time will finally be addressed by the time the 7800x3D is released.

4cores, that is bare minimum specs for AAA games these days, sure it can play for now but it will be obsolete pretty much soon. For those really hard budget, yeah it will work but I would prefer to just save some more money and get a 12400F at the minimum, it isnt that much more expensive https://www.lazada.com.my/products/intel-co...3356187914.html?

1) We need to see a few reviews for that. Early leaks for X3D said it will be massive 11% better than 13900K but actual reviews showed otherwise.

2) RPL still got a refresh for this year. Overall platform is still cheaper than AM5 since its still supports DDR4. AM4 longevity was a not as clear cut as certain werent supported all the way so nobody can predict how well AM5 will get supported.

3) Wattage for RPL is massive but reviewers showed you can tweak & undervolt Ksku and get good performance per watt. But this metric is really moot as people that goes for king CPU wouldnt care about how much electricity used. Its like Mercedes AMG 6.2L V8 buyers wont care how much FC per km.

This post has been edited by babylon52281: Mar 1 2023, 02:52 AM

the price difference betwwen 7800x3d and 13900kf is around rm200-300... it doesn't save that much. 13900kf is well more better value for less platform issue headaches and way bigger productivity performance. Plus if we sacrificed productivity for cheaper 7800x3d, we could save on intel by going for 13700kf too.

Yes raptor lake is a dead platform, but you could also pair cheaper 13700kf with cheaper b760 boards like the msi b760 mortar wifi (both around rm2700+). When new platform comes out, can sell off the raptor lake cpu and motherboard in one go. Meanwhile even the cheap but good b650 boards are like rm1200 (so 7800x3d+b650 = rm3300+).

The 13700kf just slower abit in gaming, but it is nearly 50% faster than 5800x3d in productivity. And like what happens to the 5800x3d on CPU multicore heavy games, once more PS5 cross platform titles comes out to PC, games in the future might be way more CPU multicore heavier in the future and favour more cpu grunt.

Lastly we haven't seen how the future is for the CPU battle yet, who knows arrow lake will be the bomb, does platform longevity matters that time when the competitor is better (if that happens).

This post has been edited by terradrive: Mar 1 2023, 09:59 AM