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terradrive
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Jan 27 2023, 08:50 AM
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 27 2023, 02:06 AM) Ask urself then, is the Ecores going to be useful to you? If purely gaming then No. So go for 13400 But if you do have productivity use for the PC, then it would help so go for 13500 If you can add RM 200 more then get 13600kf If you can add RM 200 more then get 13700/F So where is ur limit to add more then? If you afford the addon to addon, then I would say a 13700F or any 8 pcore CPU as games now requires 8cores as the playable recommended specs https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/returnal-...s-revealed.html13400f RM919 (Czone) 13500 ~RM1100 (shopee) 13600KF RM1300 (Czone) 13700F RM1639 (Czone) 13600kf to 13700f more expensive at rm340, depends if you got the money o not This post has been edited by terradrive: Jan 27 2023, 08:51 AM
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cnpats
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Jan 27 2023, 10:15 AM
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 27 2023, 02:06 AM) Ask urself then, is the Ecores going to be useful to you? If purely gaming then No. So go for 13400 But if you do have productivity use for the PC, then it would help so go for 13500 If you can add RM 200 more then get 13600kf If you can add RM 200 more then get 13700/F So where is ur limit to add more then? If you afford the addon to addon, then I would say a 13700F or any 8 pcore CPU as games now requires 8cores as the playable recommended specs https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/returnal-...s-revealed.htmlMy use case is for gaming only. I wouldn't mind getting 8 core cpu but both AMD and intel pricing for local market too high for me. Even if I keep for 3+ years. QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 27 2023, 08:50 AM) 13400f RM919 (Czone) 13500 ~RM1100 (shopee) 13600KF RM1300 (Czone) 13700F RM1639 (Czone) 13600kf to 13700f more expensive at rm340, depends if you got the money o not I think 1.1k would be the most I would want to spend on CPU
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terradrive
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Jan 27 2023, 10:45 AM
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QUOTE(cnpats @ Jan 27 2023, 10:15 AM) My use case is for gaming only. I wouldn't mind getting 8 core cpu but both AMD and intel pricing for local market too high for me. Even if I keep for 3+ years. I think 1.1k would be the most I would want to spend on CPU currently the problem is more on motherboard pricing for budget buyers 13400f and 13500 need beefier motherboard power deliveries, but 12400f before can run fine on cheapest b660 or even on a good h610 board This post has been edited by terradrive: Jan 27 2023, 10:50 AM
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babylon52281
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Jan 27 2023, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(cnpats @ Jan 27 2023, 10:15 AM) My use case is for gaming only. I wouldn't mind getting 8 core cpu but both AMD and intel pricing for local market too high for me. Even if I keep for 3+ years. I think 1.1k would be the most I would want to spend on CPU Don't look on the price of CPU alone, look at how much you want to spend on the overall system and build from it. IMHO you ady got a decent system in ur sig, so I would reckon you could just upgrade the CPU to 5800x3d and it will last you a good few more years when Intel brings their chiplets tech into maturity. During that time you could upgrade the GPU which you can then carry over to a new build. Can try target a full system rebuild by 2025/26 since 8Pcores CPU from Intel/AMD will last you a few years more until Intel decides to move away from the status quo past Arrow Lake, but til then 8pcores will be the norm for midrange.
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babylon52281
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Jan 27 2023, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 27 2023, 10:45 AM) currently the problem is more on motherboard pricing for budget buyers 13400f and 13500 need beefier motherboard power deliveries, but 12400f before can run fine on cheapest b660 or even on a good h610 board Both maxed PL2 to 154W, so even the much maligned cheapass Asrock B660 Pro RS can run them set at its max power limit of 160W however that needs a decent tower cooler ie 224XTS (new version).
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terradrive
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Jan 27 2023, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 27 2023, 12:06 PM) Both maxed PL2 to 154W, so even the much maligned cheapass Asrock B660 Pro RS can run them set at its max power limit of 160W however that needs a decent tower cooler ie 224XTS (new version). meanwhile 12400f runs fine with rm300+ boards
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cnpats
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Jan 27 2023, 12:22 PM
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 27 2023, 12:01 PM) Don't look on the price of CPU alone, look at how much you want to spend on the overall system and build from it. IMHO you ady got a decent system in ur sig, so I would reckon you could just upgrade the CPU to 5800x3d and it will last you a good few more years when Intel brings their chiplets tech into maturity. During that time you could upgrade the GPU which you can then carry over to a new build. Can try target a full system rebuild by 2025/26 since 8Pcores CPU from Intel/AMD will last you a few years more until Intel decides to move away from the status quo past Arrow Lake, but til then 8pcores will be the norm for midrange. The main reason i want to upgrade is im running out of storage space and i refuse to add more HDD / 2.5 sata because i cannot tahan trying to cable manage dy So buy new mobo with 3 nvme slots. Thus looking at new CPU as well
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terradrive
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Jan 27 2023, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE(cnpats @ Jan 27 2023, 12:22 PM) The main reason i want to upgrade is im running out of storage space and i refuse to add more HDD / 2.5 sata because i cannot tahan trying to cable manage dy So buy new mobo with 3 nvme slots. Thus looking at new CPU as well  some full atx boards macam even have 4 m.2 slots wow sien most rm700-1000 intel boards in my place is all ddr4. want order shopee also sked reach kemek habis. you guys in west malaysia mmg lucky ler
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targon
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Jan 27 2023, 02:30 PM
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QUOTE(cnpats @ Jan 27 2023, 12:22 PM) The main reason i want to upgrade is im running out of storage space and i refuse to add more HDD / 2.5 sata because i cannot tahan trying to cable manage dy So buy new mobo with 3 nvme slots. Thus looking at new CPU as well  Tried out a new budget build during Cny. Using an asrock B760m sonic pg mobo. Not bad for this mobo. Has 3 nvme slots but has to give up the 2nd pcie 16 slot for the 3rd slot. Clean looks and vibrant bios (better than giga). + It supports bclk oc & comes with dual 8 pin CPU connector. The only downside for some, it's ddr5. No issue for me since I have a spare ddr5 kit lying around. (The nearest competitor will be the strix b660m-g, but it's more expensive for the Asus)
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cnpats
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Jan 27 2023, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(targon @ Jan 27 2023, 02:30 PM) Tried out a new budget build during Cny. Using an asrock B760m sonic pg mobo. Not bad for this mobo. Has 3 nvme slots but has to give up the 2nd pcie 16 slot for the 3rd slot. Clean looks and vibrant bios (better than giga). + It supports bclk oc & comes with dual 8 pin CPU connector. The only downside for some, it's ddr5. No issue for me since I have a spare ddr5 kit lying around. (The nearest competitor will be the strix b660m-g, but it's more expensive for the Asus) Ya, I was looking at that mobo for the last few days. Something like 13400f B760m Pg sonic / steel legend if the price difference is big enough to save some money Kingston kc3000 gen 4 2tb Ram not sure, as long as 40mm height to clear CPU cooler.
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babylon52281
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Jan 27 2023, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 27 2023, 12:15 PM) meanwhile 12400f runs fine with rm300+ boards Tbh that is a lower end CPU so even crappy B660 or some decent H610 can run it at unlocked PL2. RPL bumped up their CPUs one tier above so power & cooling will follow the next tier level. 12400/12500 doesn't have Ecore tho so productivity will kind of suck. QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 27 2023, 01:08 PM) some full atx boards macam even have 4 m.2 slots wow sien most rm700-1000 intel boards in my place is all ddr4. want order shopee also sked reach kemek habis. you guys in west malaysia mmg lucky ler Ur gonna have to check out East Msia kakis which seller ships with sufficient packaging, baring that buying from China won't make much difference but will be cheaper so worth the risk?
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babylon52281
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Jan 27 2023, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(cnpats @ Jan 27 2023, 12:22 PM) The main reason i want to upgrade is im running out of storage space and i refuse to add more HDD / 2.5 sata because i cannot tahan trying to cable manage dy So buy new mobo with 3 nvme slots. Thus looking at new CPU as well  If you want to upgrade system just to get bigger storage, why not get a NAS instead? Will outlast multiple builds bro. Or get a NVME to PCIE slot addin card. Or can be like me, have external drives connected to the rear USB. I maxed out all the USB ports behind This post has been edited by babylon52281: Jan 27 2023, 03:30 PM
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babylon52281
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Jan 27 2023, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(targon @ Jan 27 2023, 02:30 PM) Tried out a new budget build during Cny. Using an asrock B760m sonic pg mobo. Not bad for this mobo. Has 3 nvme slots but has to give up the 2nd pcie 16 slot for the 3rd slot. Clean looks and vibrant bios (better than giga). + It supports bclk oc & comes with dual 8 pin CPU connector. The only downside for some, it's ddr5. No issue for me since I have a spare ddr5 kit lying around. (The nearest competitor will be the strix b660m-g, but it's more expensive for the Asus) If you had gotten a nonK RPL and hope to do the BCLK OC trick, boy do I have some bad news https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rip-overc...-hardly-knew-ye
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targon
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Jan 27 2023, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(cnpats @ Jan 27 2023, 02:47 PM) Ya, I was looking at that mobo for the last few days. Something like 13400f B760m Pg sonic / steel legend if the price difference is big enough to save some money Kingston kc3000 gen 4 2tb Ram not sure, as long as 40mm height to clear CPU cooler. Go for the sonic instead. No issues with Trident Z 5 heights. Cos I m re-using spare aio with this one. Also I have a spare set of thermaltake sleeved cables (black/blue), a nice match for this mobo.
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babylon52281
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Jan 27 2023, 11:39 PM
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QUOTE(targon @ Jan 27 2023, 04:30 PM) Go for the sonic instead. No issues with Trident Z 5 heights. Cos I m re-using spare aio with this one. Also I have a spare set of thermaltake sleeved cables (black/blue), a nice match for this mobo. If cnpats going to reuse that AK620 it isn't that straight forward as any installation with front fans will surely overhang the RAMs. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool...u-cooler/5.htmlFor that its pretty much limited to nonRGB type with less extreme heatsinks something like Corsair Vengeance or Kingston Fury Beast or Teamgroup Vulcan a Or else could also relocate the front fan to the rear.
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cnpats
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Jan 28 2023, 10:23 AM
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QUOTE(targon @ Jan 27 2023, 04:30 PM) Go for the sonic instead. No issues with Trident Z 5 heights. Cos I m re-using spare aio with this one. Also I have a spare set of thermaltake sleeved cables (black/blue), a nice match for this mobo. I think other than aesthetics no difference since the pg sonic is based on the steel legend. QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 27 2023, 11:39 PM) If cnpats going to reuse that AK620 it isn't that straight forward as any installation with front fans will surely overhang the RAMs. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/deepcool...u-cooler/5.htmlFor that its pretty much limited to nonRGB type with less extreme heatsinks something like Corsair Vengeance or Kingston Fury Beast or Teamgroup Vulcan a Or else could also relocate the front fan to the rear. Ya probably go for Kingston fury beast 32gb 5600mt ram. Or i buy something like Asus prime z790m plus d4 and dont spend money for ram that will provide little benefit for gaming. This post has been edited by cnpats: Jan 28 2023, 05:56 PM
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babylon52281
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Jan 29 2023, 11:26 PM
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Guys, if I can get an unopened but old stock scythe Fuma 2 rev A (did not have LGA1700 mount only up to LGA1200) for RM 200, is it worth it? I would still have to spend a bit more for the 1700 mounting kit tho...
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babylon52281
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Jan 29 2023, 11:29 PM
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QUOTE(cnpats @ Jan 28 2023, 10:23 AM) I think other than aesthetics no difference since the pg sonic is based on the steel legend. Ya probably go for Kingston fury beast 32gb 5600mt ram. Or i buy something like Asus prime z790m plus d4 and dont spend money for ram that will provide little benefit for gaming. Memory is where you will feel the least difference in actual applications unless ur adding more capacity, unless ur a benchfreak.
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terradrive
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Jan 30 2023, 08:34 AM
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 29 2023, 11:26 PM) Guys, if I can get an unopened but old stock scythe Fuma 2 rev A (did not have LGA1700 mount only up to LGA1200) for RM 200, is it worth it? I would still have to spend a bit more for the 1700 mounting kit tho... iinm fuma 2 is comparable to ak620 but fuma's fans are slower and way quieter, so even at max fan speed it is silent but cooling performance did suffer vs ak620. good price at rm200 i guess but can guarantee get the 1700 bracket?
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cnpats
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Jan 30 2023, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(babylon52281 @ Jan 29 2023, 11:29 PM) Memory is where you will feel the least difference in actual applications unless ur adding more capacity, unless ur a benchfreak. The more I think, upgrade platform because I'm running out of storage seems like silly idea. I just buy a new 2tb nvme to replace my 256gb nvme drive for now and wait before upgrading.
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