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lifebalance
post Feb 3 2021, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(KLlang @ Feb 3 2021, 03:33 PM)
During pandemic, so far, does insurance company still give guaranteed yearly renewal to standalone medical card holder without underwriting?
Anyone come across this?
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All medical benefit insurance requires an underwriting unless it's a Guaranteed Issue by the insurance company to you (normally provided you've been with them (the insurance company as a policy holder) for many years with no health issue/claims). Otherwise it's quite impossible.

However, there are guaranteed renewal medical card out there as well as non-portfolio withdrawal products. Just not "without any underwriting required".

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QUOTE(TaiGoh @ Feb 2 2021, 11:32 PM)
Thank you so much for your reply, appreciate it!
Indeed there is a upgrade made in 2018 to SmartMedic Xtra.
I did a check the premium difference between SmartMedic Million and SmartMedic Xtra for age 32 is just RM26 for R&B200. So far I see the only drawback is SmartMedic Million with deductible RM300 I guess? Or maybe something that I did not aware of.
Also it does come with regular increment to the R&B just in case R&B getting more expensive in the future.

Yes, agreed with all the sifus said here, I forgotten about if reduce deductible in the future will need to undergo another round of underwriting and subject for approval. So definitely will be out for my considerations for now.

I am actually curious how the commission works here, I would assume that if I did an upgrade of medical card, the commission for that agent will be restarted correct?
And does it matter for consumer point of view? FOR EXAMPLE the medical card premium is 1000 annually, the commission is 30% second year is 25%, I am still paying 1000 annually correct?

Will try to compare the plan out there and see whether there is a worth to make a switch, because thinking better do the decision now than later, but if there is no justification to do that, most likely will continue stick with GE.
Thanks again.
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SMX has a revise of pricing last year onward after it has launched for 5-6years. Now SMM is a new medical rider which the cost of insurance of this rider about the same for SMX after my own analysis. benefits wise in SMM is much better. Yes SMM has the room and board increasing every 3 years. Sadly, we can’t attach this rider on the existing SPE2 plan. Need to waiting for company further updates later.

Commission works on existing policy: back in 2018 when u did ur upgrade, let said u top up RM 30-50/m, then the commission 30-50/m*25% only.


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QUOTE(KLlang @ Feb 3 2021, 03:33 PM)
During pandemic, so far, does insurance company still give guaranteed yearly renewal to standalone medical card holder without underwriting?
Anyone come across this?
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My understanding yes. At least for GE current plan

Just make sure your payment no problem and sufficient when premium raise (standalone premium raise every 5 years)

I got bad experience with my mom in law standalone due to credit card payment issue. under other company.

Anyway, you still need to refer to the policy you have in hand.

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 3 2021, 10:05 AM)
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This is a plan for those want a high deductible amount, pic said 60yo onwards become non deductible. Can it be earlier for example 50yo? Possible or the option only in 60yo?
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QUOTE(Ewa Wa @ Feb 3 2021, 04:04 PM)
This is a plan for those want a high deductible amount, pic said 60yo onwards become non deductible. Can it be earlier for example 50yo? Possible or the option only in 60yo?
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No, only upon 60 years old
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post Feb 3 2021, 08:51 PM

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Hi, does anyone know any life insurance plan that will give higher cashback then what we have paid when reach maturity like 70 years old?
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post Feb 3 2021, 09:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ryuluvlia @ Feb 3 2021, 08:51 PM)
Hi, does anyone know any life insurance plan that will give higher cashback then what we have paid when reach maturity like 70 years old?
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You mean cash value? that will really depends as the figures upon maturity are non-guaranteed.

However some company do offer extra payout upon maturity smile.gif

I'm afraid I can't disclose here, later kena flag hehe


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post Feb 3 2021, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Ryuluvlia @ Feb 3 2021, 08:51 PM)
Hi, does anyone know any life insurance plan that will give higher cashback then what we have paid when reach maturity like 70 years old?
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Ryuluvlia, yes, there is plan guarantee lump sum at 70y/o plus non-guarantee cash value.
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post Feb 3 2021, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 3 2021, 03:44 PM)
All medical benefit insurance requires an underwriting unless it's a Guaranteed Issue by the insurance company to you (normally provided you've been with them (the insurance company as a policy holder) for many years with no health issue/claims). Otherwise it's quite impossible.

However, there are guaranteed renewal medical card out there as well as non-portfolio withdrawal products. Just not "without any underwriting required".
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Thanks lifebalance. Not to mentioned new sign-up, my concern is long time existing policy holder with same company. Company are expose to higher risk since customer may recovered from COVID but didn't declare to company.

For other health history/ claims, company will receive claim and records from policy holder. But for COVID, customer may recover before yearly renewal and not submit any claim at all since is cover by gov.

How agent handle this actually?
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QUOTE(KLlang @ Feb 3 2021, 10:08 PM)
Thanks lifebalance. Not to mentioned new sign-up, my concern is long time existing policy holder with same company. Company are expose to higher risk since customer may recovered from COVID but didn't declare to company.

For other health history/ claims, company will receive claim and records from policy holder. But for COVID, customer may recover before yearly renewal and not submit any claim at all since is cover by gov.

How agent handle this actually?
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U should also ask, what if it’s not Covid. Like other illness choose to go government and recovered didn’t declare to the insurance company for those policy inforced some years d.

Or u may also ask, kena diabetics or hypertension after 3 years purchased of policies and didn’t declare later on kena stroke? How? Or even changing gender?

Insurance is a contract, all the clauses mentioned are valid and not arguable. Looking for the clause said about “Guaranteed
Renewal” unless the polices u r selling don’t have this clause. Then I can’t help u.

Read policies terms and conditions again and again and highlight it to customer. If one day unable to renew then report this to BNM.

QUOTE(Ryuluvlia @ Feb 3 2021, 08:51 PM)
Hi, does anyone know any life insurance plan that will give higher cashback then what we have paid when reach maturity like 70 years old?
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Look for those par and non par products in the insurance companies. As I know not many companies promoting this kind of products. Nowadays mainly on ILP.

Par plans give cash bonus and maturity bonus so at the age of 70 usually the policy has higher value

Whereas non par gives guaranteed surrender value.
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post Feb 3 2021, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(Ryuluvlia @ Feb 3 2021, 08:51 PM)
Hi, does anyone know any life insurance plan that will give higher cashback then what we have paid when reach maturity like 70 years old?
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hi Ryuluvlia, are you referring to plans that comes with maturity benefit at the age of 70? if this is what you are referring to then likely you have to look into traditional whole life plan. only thing that you shall take note is the maturity age. not all traditional whole life plan's maturity age is at 70 years old.

QUOTE(KLlang @ Feb 3 2021, 10:08 PM)
Thanks lifebalance. Not to mentioned new sign-up, my concern is long time existing policy holder with same company. Company are expose to higher risk since customer may recovered from COVID but didn't declare to company.

For other health history/ claims, company will receive claim and records from policy holder. But for COVID, customer may recover before yearly renewal and not submit any claim at all since is cover by gov.

How agent handle this actually?
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hi KLlang, if i remember correctly (sifus here can correct me if im wrong), so long it is renewed, company cannot investigate anymore. only possible outcome is once claim is made, then the following year company got the right not to renew.

for example "but for COVID, customer may recover before yearly renewal and not submit any claim at all since is cover by gov.", only when the company found out got such event, then only at the following year of renewal company can choose not to let policyholder renew.

*the above is for medical coverage that has the non-guarantee renewable clause ya wink.gif
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QUOTE(KLlang @ Feb 3 2021, 10:08 PM)
Thanks lifebalance. Not to mentioned new sign-up, my concern is long time existing policy holder with same company. Company are expose to higher risk since customer may recovered from COVID but didn't declare to company.

For other health history/ claims, company will receive claim and records from policy holder. But for COVID, customer may recover before yearly renewal and not submit any claim at all since is cover by gov.

How agent handle this actually?
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It'll subject to the policy that you've bought with the insurance company, if the company provides coverage, then it'll be within their discretion and T&C as not all insurance company covers COVID at the moment.

With regards to future undertaking on COVID recovered patient, they may have new guidelines should there be risk factor involved with recovered patient.
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any covid insurance?
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QUOTE(edwin1002 @ Feb 6 2021, 10:04 PM)
any covid insurance?
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All insurance companies and takaful operators under the Life Insurance Association of Malaysia (LIAM) and Malaysian Takaful Association (MTA) have confirmed that they will provide hospitalisation and treatment coverage for COVID-19 – but your policy may differ in terms of specific benefits, terms and conditions.

Here are the list of LIAM insurance and takaful operators providing COVID-19 coverage:

AIA Bhd
Allianz Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad
AmMetLife Insurance Berhad
AXA AFFIN Life Insurance Berhad
Etiqa Life Insurance Berhad
Gibraltar BSN Life Berhad
Great Eastern Life Assurance (Malaysia) Berhad
Hannover Rueck SE, Malaysian Branch
Hong Leong Assurance Berhad
Malaysian Life Reinsurance Group Berhad
Manulife Insurance Berhad
MCIS Insurance Berhad
Prudential Assurance Malaysia Berhad
Sun Life Malaysia Assurance Berhad
Tokio Marine Life Insurance Malaysia Bhd.
Zurich Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad

Benefits such as: (Depends on the company)
- Hospitalisation benefit of RM200 per day up to 30 days
- Death benefit
- Hospitalisation cash relief
- One time payoff upon diagnosis
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QUOTE(lifebalance @ Feb 6 2021, 10:15 PM)
All insurance companies and takaful operators under the Life Insurance Association of Malaysia (LIAM) and Malaysian Takaful Association (MTA) have confirmed that they will provide hospitalisation and treatment coverage for COVID-19 – but your policy may differ in terms of specific benefits, terms and conditions.

Here are the list of LIAM insurance and takaful operators providing COVID-19 coverage:

AIA Bhd
Allianz Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad
AmMetLife Insurance Berhad
AXA AFFIN Life Insurance Berhad
Etiqa Life Insurance Berhad
Gibraltar BSN Life Berhad
Great Eastern Life Assurance (Malaysia) Berhad
Hannover Rueck SE, Malaysian Branch
Hong Leong Assurance Berhad
Malaysian Life Reinsurance Group Berhad
Manulife Insurance Berhad
MCIS Insurance Berhad
Prudential Assurance Malaysia Berhad
Sun Life Malaysia Assurance Berhad
Tokio Marine Life Insurance Malaysia Bhd.
Zurich Life Insurance Malaysia Berhad

Benefits such as: (Depends on the company)
- Hospitalisation benefit of RM200 per day up to 30 days
- Death benefit
- Hospitalisation cash relief
- One time payoff upon diagnosis
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Thank you for your explained. No need buy more and just use existing insurance if case anything happen.
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post Feb 6 2021, 10:51 PM

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Hi all, wanna ask, my insurance is GE SMARTPROTECT ESSENTIAL INSURANCE 2. Quarterly premium is about RM600. In this insurance my Lion Strategic Fund has about RM8,000.

Spoken to my agent that I can choose not to pay the premium as it will deduct from my fund 8K. Is it true it will not affect my coverage and what's the cons if I choose not to pay?

Another question is can this GREAT IDEAL LIVING about RM800 yearly payment also can be pay up from my fund 8K?

Sorry Covid time am exploring option to keep more cash in hand. If my understanding is right this premium payment from my FUND can last me more than 1 year. Any advice? Thanks
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QUOTE(copterbandito @ Feb 6 2021, 10:51 PM)
Hi all, wanna ask, my insurance is GE SMARTPROTECT ESSENTIAL INSURANCE 2. Quarterly premium is about RM600. In this insurance my Lion Strategic Fund has about RM8,000.

Spoken to my agent that I can choose not to pay the premium as it will deduct from my fund 8K. Is it true it will not affect my coverage and what's the cons if I choose not to pay?

Another question is can this GREAT IDEAL LIVING  about RM800 yearly payment also can be pay up from my fund 8K?

Sorry Covid time am exploring option to keep more cash in hand. If my understanding is right this premium payment from my FUND can last me more than 1 year. Any advice? Thanks
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1. Your policy will enter into a premium holiday mode whereby the policy will continue to deduct the cost of insurance + other fees by the insurance company until your policy has RM0 where it'll lapse.

2. Great Ideal Living is a different plan compared to the GE SPE2. Which is a traditional plan, if you choose not to pay, same thing it will not lapse but the policy will enter into a automatic premium loan whereby the insurance company will charge you an interest for the loan, at the end of the period, it'll lapse if the loan interest owed >= your surrender value.

If you're not really in need of that cash on hand that urgently, it'll be wise to keep the funds with the insurance company as they'll continue to re-invest your money for you (ILP) and not incur any loan interest (Traditional Plan).

If you're feeling the burden to pay for the premium, maybe then it's advisable to go for a premium holiday until you recover your cash flow or maybe choose to reduce your existing benefit so that you can pay lesser premium if that will help you financially.
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QUOTE(copterbandito @ Feb 6 2021, 10:51 PM)
Hi all, wanna ask, my insurance is GE SMARTPROTECT ESSENTIAL INSURANCE 2. Quarterly premium is about RM600. In this insurance my Lion Strategic Fund has about RM8,000.

Spoken to my agent that I can choose not to pay the premium as it will deduct from my fund 8K. Is it true it will not affect my coverage and what's the cons if I choose not to pay?
yes, it wont affect your coverage as insurance companies will use the account value to pay the insurance charges (for life insurance, policy fees, cost of insurance, and etc)

Another question is can this GREAT IDEAL LIVING  about RM800 yearly payment also can be pay up from my fund 8K?
the only way to do so is to withdraw the amount from your SPE2 fund and pay to GIL. in this case, i recommend to pay the GIL because traditional plan will have interest charged on premium due and the interest is 7% p.a.. so you can also do it this way whereby you pay the RM800 yearly premium to GIL, and withdraw from SPE2 fund whenever you need.

Sorry Covid time am exploring option to keep more cash in hand. If my understanding is right this premium payment from my FUND can last me more than 1 year. Any advice? Thanks
definitely can run for at least 1 year, no worries on that.
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hi copterbandito, hope my replies above helps wink.gif
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QUOTE(copterbandito @ Feb 6 2021, 10:51 PM)
Hi all, wanna ask, my insurance is GE SMARTPROTECT ESSENTIAL INSURANCE 2. Quarterly premium is about RM600. In this insurance my Lion Strategic Fund has about RM8,000.

Spoken to my agent that I can choose not to pay the premium as it will deduct from my fund 8K. Is it true it will not affect my coverage and what's the cons if I choose not to pay?

Another question is can this GREAT IDEAL LIVING  about RM800 yearly payment also can be pay up from my fund 8K?

Sorry Covid time am exploring option to keep more cash in hand. If my understanding is right this premium payment from my FUND can last me more than 1 year. Any advice? Thanks
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Spoken to my agent that I can choose not to pay the premium as it will deduct from my fund 8K. Is it true it will not affect my coverage and what's the cons if I choose not to pay?
Yess, you can choose not to pay and let the policy enter premium holiday. Do monitor your cash value from time to time to avoid policy lapse. However, if your mobile number tie up with GE system should be receiving SMS from GE is policy about to lapse.

Another question is can this GREAT IDEAL LIVING about RM800 yearly payment also can be pay up from my fund 8K?
GIL cant auto deduct premium from SPE2, if u choose to stop premium for GIL do check how much cash bonus you have in ecoonect. After that, sign up the form called option from to shift to option 2. Option 2 means taking the Cash bonus to pay for the premium. Using Cash Bonus (CB) will not charge u 7% interest. If not this option, then policy will use surrender value for premium payment and 7% interest incurred. Do take note.
After CB account exhausted then premium will deduct from surrender value.

If possible, I'll advice continue your premium for GIL.



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